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Gabe 2nd November 2012 17:44

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Originally Posted by JG_ (Post 561368)
Where does Compton field?

Usually on the one. Often cover.

JG_ 2nd November 2012 17:49

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Originally Posted by Gabe (Post 561425)
Usually on the one. Often cover.

Thanks, that doesn't help much then. Root's also definitely not a slip.

mustardcharlie 5th November 2012 22:19

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Originally Posted by Ali TT (Post 561353)
Anderson is a good out-fielder, thats for sure, but not a natural slipper, surely.

JA is one of the best slip fielders I have ever seen. Unfortunately he cannot go there when he's bowling. Trott must be asked to do the job at first. Bairstow can have second. Bell and Cook are also options.

Michelle Fivefer 5th November 2012 22:53

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Originally Posted by mustardcharlie (Post 561694)
JA is one of the best slip fielders I have ever seen. Unfortunately he cannot go there when he's bowling. Trott must be asked to do the job at first. Bairstow can have second. Bell and Cook are also options.

I have heard that Cook is to take Strauss's place at 1st slip, Swann still at 2nd. I'd like to see Trott at 3rd slip to give some continuity instead of a bowler who has to leave the line up every time it's his turn to bowl. I suppose Bairstow as a w/keeper would be a good shout if they prefer to let Trott trot about the field.

Bell was not a huge success the time he has fielded in the slips but is very useful elsewhere and in these warm ups he has resumed the short leg position to the spinners that Cook had been doing lately.

JG_ 5th November 2012 23:17

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Originally Posted by mustardcharlie (Post 561694)
JA is one of the best slip fielders I have ever seen. Unfortunately he cannot go there when he's bowling. Trott must be asked to do the job at first. Bairstow can have second. Bell and Cook are also options.

Really? He's decent but not that good, I can think of loads better from the last few years; Strauss, Trescothick, Flintoff, Warne, M Waugh, Taylor, Kallis, G Smith, Fleming, Dravid...

Also Bairstow never to my knowledge fields slip.

greyblazer 7th November 2012 08:11

Anderson may not be in the class of M.Waugh, Colly, Kallis, Taylor and Fleming but he is good. Dravid dropped too many catches at the end of his career for me to rate him so highly.

On occasions you feel that Jimmy Anderson thinks about his bowling while fielding in the slips and as a result drops catches.

JG_ 7th November 2012 11:41

I'm not interested in excuses about his bowling, all that matters is whether he takes catches or not. I've not seen any of the above drop as many catches as Anderson. MC must have watched very little cricket for the last 20 years to rate him as one of the best slips he's ever seen.

1000yardstare 7th November 2012 19:53

Since Collingwood retired beginning of Jan 2011
Drops not including the ones I posted earlier for this summer
Bowler/dropped by fielder

Tremlett/Tremlett
Broad/Cook
Swann/Strauss
Tremlett/Strauss
Finn/Cook
Swann/Prior
Tremlett/Prior
Tremlett/Bell
Anderson/Strauss
Broad/Strauss
Broad/Swannn
Tremlett/Bell
Anderson/Strauss
Broad/Morgan
Broad/Pietersen
Broad/Cook
Anderson/Bresnan
Swann/Pietersen
Anderson/Elstone
Swann/Strauss
Swann/Prior
Bresnan/Bresnan
Anderson/Swann
Swann/Cook
Swann/Prior
Broad/Tremlett
Anderson/Swann
Panesar/Panesar
Panesar/Anderson
Anderson/Strauss
Swann/Bell
Broad/Strauss
Anderson/Swann
Anderson/Anderson
Anderson/Panesar
Broad/Panesar
Swann/Prior
Swann/Finn
Patel/Bresnan
Swann/Cook
Swann/Cook

This summer
1 Anderson - Bravo 29 - Swann - 0
2 Broad - Barath 2 - Bresnan - 22
3 Anderson - Edwards 1 - Bresnan - 6
4 Broad - Roach 0 - Swann - 7
5 Swann - Samuels 58 - Cook 18
6 Onions - Barath 4 - Bell
7 Finn - Barath 40 - Bell - 37
8 Finn - Sammy 14 - Strauss 2
9 Finn - Ramdin 69 - Pietersen 38
10 Bopara - Amla 40 - Strauss 271
11 Anderson - Peterson 29 - Cook 153
12 Broad - de Villiers 39 - Anderson 8
13 Bresnan - Smith 44 - Anderson 8
14 Pietersen - de Villiers 23 - Anderson 21
15 Broad - Amla 2 - Prior - 3
16 Swann - de Villiers 8 - Anderson 35
17 Swann - Rudolph 6 - Strauss 5

Minor Maggie 7th November 2012 21:05

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Originally Posted by 1000yardstare (Post 562006)
Since Collingwood retired beginning of Jan 2011
Drops not including the ones I posted earlier for this summer
Bowler/dropped by fielder

Tremlett/Tremlett
Broad/Cook
Swann/Strauss
Tremlett/Strauss
Finn/Cook
Swann/Prior
Tremlett/Prior
Tremlett/Bell
Anderson/Strauss
Broad/Strauss
Broad/Swannn
Tremlett/Bell
Anderson/Strauss
Broad/Morgan
Broad/Pietersen
Broad/Cook
Anderson/Bresnan
Swann/Pietersen
Anderson/Elstone
Swann/Strauss
Swann/Prior
Bresnan/Bresnan
Anderson/Swann
Swann/Cook
Swann/Prior
Broad/Tremlett
Anderson/Swann
Panesar/Panesar
Panesar/Anderson
Anderson/Strauss
Swann/Bell
Broad/Strauss
Anderson/Swann
Anderson/Anderson
Anderson/Panesar
Broad/Panesar
Swann/Prior
Swann/Finn
Patel/Bresnan
Swann/Cook
Swann/Cook

I guess the next vital stat would be the percentage of chances actually taken...

Michelle Fivefer 7th November 2012 22:36

Collingwood dropped quite a few as well.

1000yardstare 7th November 2012 22:44

Since the Ashes there were 18 Tests and 172 catches were taken out of the 301 wickets from the bowlers. 59 catches dropped. Run outs not included

Drops
11 - Strauss
8 - Cook
7 - Prior, Swann
6 - Anderson
5 - Bell
4 - Bresnan
3 - Pietersen, Panesar
2 Tremlett
1 -Morgan, Finn, Elstone

Bowlers who had catches dropped
16 - Swann
13 - Anderson, Broad
5 - Tremlett
4 - Finn
2 - Bresnan, Panesar
1 - Patel, Bopara, Onions, Pietersen

Voice of the Beehive 8th November 2012 00:12

Seeing reference to Bairstow not being a slip fielder made me think about other keepers who sometimes play as batsmen only. I can't think of any of them that do field in the slips yet I would have thought they might be well suited to doing so. I wonder if for some reason the opposite is true.

JG_ 8th November 2012 13:29

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Originally Posted by VotB (Post 562027)
Seeing reference to Bairstow not being a slip fielder made me think about other keepers who sometimes play as batsmen only. I can't think of any of them that do field in the slips yet I would have thought they might be well suited to doing so. I wonder if for some reason the opposite is true.

Yes I often think this too. They nearly always seem to be very good outfielders anyway.

Chin Music 8th November 2012 13:33

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Originally Posted by JG_ (Post 562064)
Yes I often think this too. They nearly always seem to be very good outfielders anyway.

most keepers are very athletic and thus cover good ground in the outfield.

JG_ 8th November 2012 13:50

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Originally Posted by Chin Music (Post 562065)
most keepers are very athletic and thus cover good ground in the outfield.

Yes I can see the logic in that, but it would also logically seem that they would be good slips...

High Druid Nathan Barley 8th November 2012 14:03

I used to keep wicket a bit in my youth, but my preferred position is 1st slip. I don't like, and am not as good at, going any wider in the cordon and would rather be in the covers than go to 2nd or 3rd grabber. Something about the angle of the ball, and not finding it so easy to watch coming down from the bowler's hand.

Chin Music 8th November 2012 14:05

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Originally Posted by JG_ (Post 562071)
Yes I can see the logic in that, but it would also logically seem that they would be good slips...

Oh sure, however if you think of the comparative ground that a keeper covers compared to a slip the role is more widely different than one might think. A keeper tends to dive both to the leg and off side quite widely, whereas a slip will tend to move far more to the off-side (for both left and right handed batsmen) and would not be too popular if as a first slip he dived towards the keeper's territory or 2nd slip dived across 1st's territory. Quite different disciplines that it would take some time to figure out at a guess.

Edit;- what HDNB says about angles too.

Michelle Fivefer 8th November 2012 14:10

The players who drop the most catches are the ones in catching positions who have been put there because of their ability to catch things. I guess they have caught a lot more than they have dropped so the drops have to be seen as a percentage of total chances, taken and missed. Worse fielders are generally placed where the ball doesn't go very often so they don't get the chance to drop as many.

Chin Music 8th November 2012 14:18

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Originally Posted by Michelle Fivefer (Post 562078)
The players who drop the most catches are the ones in catching positions who have been put there because of their ability to catch things. I guess they have caught a lot more than they have dropped so the drops have to be seen as a percentage of total chances, taken and missed. Worse fielders are generally placed where the ball doesn't go very often so they don't get the chance to drop as many.

By far the hardest chances tend to go to the slip cordon as well, given the pace and angles that they tend to hit there.

geoff_boycotts_grandmother 8th November 2012 22:32

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Originally Posted by Chin Music (Post 562079)
By far the hardest chances tend to go to the slip cordon as well, given the pace and angles that they tend to hit there.

Hardest chances are to the fielders under the helmet. You'd expect a slip to take a higher percentage of chances than a forward short-leg or silly-mid-off.

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Originally Posted by 1000yardstare (Post 562021)
Since the Ashes there were 18 Tests and 172 catches were taken out of the 301 wickets from the bowlers. 59 catches dropped. Run outs not included

Drops
11 - Strauss
8 - Cook
7 - Prior, Swann
6 - Anderson
5 - Bell
4 - Bresnan
3 - Pietersen, Panesar
2 Tremlett
1 -Morgan, Finn, Elstone

Bowlers who had catches dropped
16 - Swann
13 - Anderson, Broad
5 - Tremlett
4 - Finn
2 - Bresnan, Panesar
1 - Patel, Bopara, Onions, Pietersen

Thanks for this work:thumbsup:

Can you also list who took the catches during this period?


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