Cricket 24/7

Cricket 24/7 (http://www.cricket247.org/community/index.php)
-   International Cricket (http://www.cricket247.org/community/forumdisplay.php?f=4)
-   -   Mbargogate (http://www.cricket247.org/community/showthread.php?t=23447)

luckyluke 14th October 2017 14:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by D/L (Post 771483)
It should be obvious that the authorities will not see it as irrelevant that any decision they make will be seen in the context of evidence seen by millions. To think otherwise is to deny reality.

None of the reasons given here would stand up in the face of serious questions asked by the media.

.

You’ve said that public and media opinion should be factors in deciding legal action against Stokes. Doing so is essentially pandering to a mob mentality, and is not following due process without fear or favour.

D/L 14th October 2017 19:41

Once again, you seem to have misunderstood what you have read.

Reading the above carefully will confirm I said that they will be (as in all cases where the public has already seen the main evidence), not that they should be, as you falsely claim that I said.

luckyluke 15th October 2017 20:02

Oh ok, whatever.

I’m glad we agree, anyway.

stevieh 28th October 2017 03:05

New information publicized in this case now, with witnesses having come forward, as reported in the Sun.

Jock McTuffnel v3 23rd November 2017 23:54

Thought this was being resolved this week ?

square leg umpire 24th November 2017 22:12

Is there time limit for when they have to charge him?

sanskritsimon 24th November 2017 22:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by square leg umpire (Post 772290)
Is there time limit for when they have to charge him?

If he dies first, whether in a fight or otherwise, it'll be too late.

square leg umpire 24th November 2017 23:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by sanskritsimon (Post 772292)
If he dies first, whether in a fight or otherwise, it'll be too late.

So he could miss next years tour.

DanielVettoriSpin 25th November 2017 01:29

Interesting contrast with the Ben Stokes incident here:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricke...prings-assault

Ken McClure is an up-and-coming batsman for Canterbury - so clearly not in the same league as a player as Stokes (at this time anyway). So, he assaults someone in a pub pre-season (probably August at the earliest, most likely September/October). Pleads guilty and will be sentenced in January.

The timeframe is reasonably similar, but hasn't been dragged through the press and the early guilty plea will probably help him. Definitely an interesting contrast to how the Stokes case has proceeded, but also to how Jesse Ryder was treated by the press when assaulted in Canterbury a few years back.

geoff_boycotts_grandmother 26th November 2017 01:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanielVettoriSpin (Post 772298)
Interesting contrast with the Ben Stokes incident here:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricke...prings-assault

Ken McClure is an up-and-coming batsman for Canterbury - so clearly not in the same league as a player as Stokes (at this time anyway). So, he assaults someone in a pub pre-season (probably August at the earliest, most likely September/October). Pleads guilty and will be sentenced in January.

The timeframe is reasonably similar, but hasn't been dragged through the press and the early guilty plea will probably help him. Definitely an interesting contrast to how the Stokes case has proceeded, but also to how Jesse Ryder was treated by the press when assaulted in Canterbury a few years back.

Not sure how similar Kiwi justice system is to the English one. The English system is on it's knees due to funding cuts. It's no surprise that things are delayed.

There are some major differences: McClure pleaded guilty; Stokes can't plead guilty as he hasn't actually been charged with anything and even if he were to be charged he's likely to plead not guilty. McClure also has stepped down himself, rather than be suspended because of a negative press headline like Stokes. Make no mistake: at this stage this is a suspension because of media rather than legal issues.

D/L 26th November 2017 15:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by geoff_boycotts_grandmother (Post 772370)
...Make no mistake: at this stage this is a suspension because of media rather than legal issues.

I think you just did. It is a suspension because of the police investigation.

AJ101 27th November 2017 03:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by D/L (Post 772453)
I think you just did. It is a suspension because of the police investigation.

Maybe Surrey constabulary should start investigating Steve Smith :-)

1000yardstare 28th November 2017 02:40

@StocksC_cricket
So Ben Stokes is travelling to NZ where he apparently hopes to play for Canterbury, who have a free space in their squad because, er, one of their players has got done for assault...

@NHoultCricket
Breaking: I understand Stokes is due to play for Canterbury on Sunday against Otago in a first-class game

Ben Stokes has been granted a No Objection Certificate by the ECB and is free to play in New Zealand this weekend.

Stokes has already missed two one-day internationals and one Test match, which could be rolled into any backdated sporting sanction that follows.

He must be not expecting to hear from the police for quite a while then. I am surprised he is allowed out of the country. He might as well play in the 2nd Test while he is out that way. :cheesy:

DanielVettoriSpin 28th November 2017 07:19

To play for Canterbury... who Ken McClure plays for. Seems an interesting idea given Canterbury are already under that cloud. I guess the potential that someone might turn up to the ground to watch a domestic 50 over game with Stokes in the squad was too much to resist. Not the best look mind.

D/L 28th November 2017 11:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1000yardstare (Post 772555)
...He must be not expecting to hear from the police for quite a while then. ...

Not necessarily. If charged, it is unlikely that Stokes would be held on remand until the trial.

1000yardstare 29th November 2017 16:57

Avon and Somerset Police said: "We are now in a position to provide an update on our investigation into a disorder in Bristol which happened during the early hours of Monday September 25.

"A 27-year-old man suffered a fractured eye socket in the incident on Queens Road, Clifton.

"A 26-year-old man was arrested on suspicion of causing actual bodily harm and was later released under investigation.

"Three other men, aged 26, 27 and 28, have all voluntarily attended police stations for interview.

"Today (Wednesday, 29 November) we have passed a file to the Crown Prosecution Service and are now seeking charging".

https://www.app.college.police.uk/ap...sion-to-charge

WeAreKent 29th November 2017 17:01

I'd guess he will now be charged with actual bodily harm rather than the lesser offence of common assualt or affray, which is what the ECB were hoping for if the police referred the case to the CPS.

A fractured eye socket is no small matter and my understanding is that now makes a charge of common assault impossible.

Stokes will take no part in this Ashes series - which I accepted as inevitable the moment I saw that video.

Canterbury will also now decline to select him and I'd guess he will be flying back to the UK fairly shortly...

Michelle Fivefer 30th November 2017 01:48

I see this story is being discussed on two threads so quite a bit of repetition.

Jock McTuffnel v3 30th November 2017 08:32

Police have passed the buck.

D/L 30th November 2017 11:22

No, given what we have seen, I'd say the police have finally done the inevitable.


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 18:44.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
© Cricket247.org