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1000yardstare 19th November 2008 00:31

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/spo...cle5183642.ece

Kids in America

Maurice Chambers (21, Essex, four first-class matches, nine wickets at 37.22) Powerful pace bowler who was brought up in Jamaica but played for England Under-19, his career has been interrupted by injuries.

Jonathan Clare (22, Derbyshire, 15 matches, 41 wickets at 26.19) Built like Andrew Flintoff, the all-rounder from Burnley enjoyed an impressive first full season for Derbyshire with bat and ball.

Jade Dernbach (22, Surrey, 20 matches, 41 wickets at 40.95) Born in South Africa, made real progress this year, showing particular promise as a one-day bowler.

Chris Jordan (20, Surrey, 13 matches, 32 wickets at 33.12) Skiddy quick bowler who can bat as well. Came to Surrey from Barbados via Dulwich College.

Mark Turner (24, Somerset, eight matches, 15 wickets at 49.46) Joined Somerset in 2006 when he was released by Durham. Very quick, but has struggled with injuries.

Chris Woakes (19, Warwickshire, 13 matches, 49 wickets at 22.73) Intelligent swing bowler who moves the ball both ways. Warwickshire's leading wicket-taker this year
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Some bowlers missing from here are Finn, Meaker, Robbie Williams, Newby, Footitt who have as much potential as those listed above. What a fantastic opportunity for these young bowlers to spend that time learning about conditioning while getting into tip top shape and then going to the MRF Pace Bowling Academy in India.

Chin Music 19th November 2008 08:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by FastBowlersUnion (Post 252588)
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/spo...cle5183642.ece

Kids in America

Maurice Chambers (21, Essex, four first-class matches, nine wickets at 37.22) Powerful pace bowler who was brought up in Jamaica but played for England Under-19, his career has been interrupted by injuries.

Jonathan Clare (22, Derbyshire, 15 matches, 41 wickets at 26.19) Built like Andrew Flintoff, the all-rounder from Burnley enjoyed an impressive first full season for Derbyshire with bat and ball.

Jade Dernbach (22, Surrey, 20 matches, 41 wickets at 40.95) Born in South Africa, made real progress this year, showing particular promise as a one-day bowler.

Chris Jordan (20, Surrey, 13 matches, 32 wickets at 33.12) Skiddy quick bowler who can bat as well. Came to Surrey from Barbados via Dulwich College.

Mark Turner (24, Somerset, eight matches, 15 wickets at 49.46) Joined Somerset in 2006 when he was released by Durham. Very quick, but has struggled with injuries.

Chris Woakes (19, Warwickshire, 13 matches, 49 wickets at 22.73) Intelligent swing bowler who moves the ball both ways. Warwickshire's leading wicket-taker this year
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Some bowlers missing from here are Finn, Meaker, Robbie Williams, Newby, Footitt who have as much potential as those listed above. What a fantastic opportunity for these young bowlers to spend that time learning about conditioning while getting into tip top shape and then going to the MRF Pace Bowling Academy in India.

I hope that what the guys learn at the MRF pace academy is bowling a full length and getting that ball to reverse. I think it's fair to say that the BCCI investment in that academy has started to pay dividends big time over the last few years for Indian bowlers.

1000yardstare 25th November 2008 01:07

The Tests are coming up and I expect India to play only two fast bowlers as usual. Looking at their bowling the best bet would be Sharma and Patel.

Tests in India

Sharma 24.76 econ 3.10 s/r 47.90
Patel 33.23 econ 2.97 s/r 66.90
Sreesanth 38.84 econ 3.26 s/r 71.40
Khan 40.73 econ 3.12 s/r 78.20
Pathan 50.33 econ 3.08 s/r 97.80
PR Singh econ 4.43

Chin Music 25th November 2008 08:29

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Originally Posted by FastBowlersUnion (Post 255737)
The Tests are coming up and I expect India to play only two fast bowlers as usual. Looking at their bowling the best bet would be Sharma and Patel.

Tests in India

Sharma 24.76 econ 3.10 s/r 47.90
Patel 33.23 econ 2.97 s/r 66.90
Sreesanth 38.84 econ 3.26 s/r 71.40
Khan 40.73 econ 3.12 s/r 78.20
Pathan 50.33 econ 3.08 s/r 97.80
PR Singh econ 4.43

What about Zaheer's form in India in the last couple of years. A far cannier bowler than the others and his swing at a livelyish pace as well as being a left armer provide the best counter-balance for Sharma.

Zebroston Chase 25th November 2008 13:17

I don't see them leaving out Zaheer especially after he did us like a kipper the last time we faced 'em in tests.

WeStMiDz 25th November 2008 13:23

Yep, Zaheer is first name on the team sheet.

geoff_boycotts_grandmother 25th November 2008 15:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by FastBowlersUnion (Post 252588)
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/spo...cle5183642.ece

Kids in America

Maurice Chambers (21, Essex, four first-class matches, nine wickets at 37.22) Powerful pace bowler who was brought up in Jamaica but played for England Under-19, his career has been interrupted by injuries.

Jonathan Clare (22, Derbyshire, 15 matches, 41 wickets at 26.19) Built like Andrew Flintoff, the all-rounder from Burnley enjoyed an impressive first full season for Derbyshire with bat and ball.

Jade Dernbach (22, Surrey, 20 matches, 41 wickets at 40.95) Born in South Africa, made real progress this year, showing particular promise as a one-day bowler.

Chris Jordan (20, Surrey, 13 matches, 32 wickets at 33.12) Skiddy quick bowler who can bat as well. Came to Surrey from Barbados via Dulwich College.

Mark Turner (24, Somerset, eight matches, 15 wickets at 49.46) Joined Somerset in 2006 when he was released by Durham. Very quick, but has struggled with injuries.

Chris Woakes (19, Warwickshire, 13 matches, 49 wickets at 22.73) Intelligent swing bowler who moves the ball both ways. Warwickshire's leading wicket-taker this year
----
Some bowlers missing from here are Finn, Meaker, Robbie Williams, Newby, Footitt who have as much potential as those listed above. What a fantastic opportunity for these young bowlers to spend that time learning about conditioning while getting into tip top shape and then going to the MRF Pace Bowling Academy in India.

WTF - doesn't Jordan wants to play for the West Indies not England?

Kim isn't going to be happy when his latest love misses most of next season with injury.

Aidan11 25th November 2008 15:38

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Originally Posted by WeStMiDz (Post 255875)
Yep, Zaheer is first name on the team sheet.

As long as the team sheet isn't done alphabetically.

1000yardstare 25th November 2008 22:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chin Music (Post 255761)
What about Zaheer's form in India in the last couple of years. A far cannier bowler than the others and his swing at a livelyish pace as well as being a left armer provide the best counter-balance for Sharma.


In the last series against Australia in India
Khan 11 wickets at 43.18
Sharma 15 at 27.06

Our batsmen aren't very good facing the left arm bowlers so maybe he will do well.

Chin Music 26th November 2008 08:28

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Originally Posted by FastBowlersUnion (Post 256157)
In the last series against Australia in India
Khan 11 wickets at 43.18
Sharma 15 at 27.06

Our batsmen aren't very good facing the left arm bowlers so maybe he will do well.

Zaheer seemed to look knackered after the 2nd test and the figures aren't great but remember he won the series over here.

A Newbie 26th November 2008 19:46

It occurs to me that England have problems bowling in the powerplay overs in particularl.

Thus with that in mind, with the exception of Flintoff, statistically, speaking at least, you know who is a fine powerplay bowler for England?

Jon Lewis.Not just in English conditions either, only game in India v WI in ICC Champions Trophy, typical flat Indian ODI wicket, yet bowled through the first 20 overs, ie powerplay and took 1/35. Generally good in powerplays in Australia also.

geoff_boycotts_grandmother 26th November 2008 20:33

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Originally Posted by Mr Popodopolous (Post 256600)
It occurs to me that England have problems bowling in the powerplay overs in particularl.

Thus with that in mind, with the exception of Flintoff, statistically, speaking at least, you know who is a fine powerplay bowler for England?

Jon Lewis.Not just in English conditions either, only game in India v WI in ICC Champions Trophy, typical flat Indian ODI wicket, yet bowled through the first 20 overs, ie powerplay and took 1/35. Generally good in powerplays in Australia also.

Good shout. Bristol is almost identical to the conditions England are struggling with in India. Plus Lewis' form has been great since England broke him.

1000yardstare 26th November 2008 20:34

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Originally Posted by geoff_boycotts_grandmother (Post 256623)
Good shout. Bristol is almost identical to the conditions England are struggling with in India. Plus Lewis' form has been great since England broke him.


:)

Huda 26th November 2008 21:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by FastBowlersUnion (Post 255737)
The Tests are coming up and I expect India to play only two fast bowlers as usual. Looking at their bowling the best bet would be Sharma and Patel.

Tests in India

Sharma 24.76 econ 3.10 s/r 47.90
Patel 33.23 econ 2.97 s/r 66.90
Sreesanth 38.84 econ 3.26 s/r 71.40
Khan 40.73 econ 3.12 s/r 78.20
Pathan 50.33 econ 3.08 s/r 97.80
PR Singh econ 4.43

Zaheer won't be left out, like Westmidz said he will be the first name on the sheet, he's been in the form of his life since that SA tour plus with the amount of reverse swing he gets at good pace he will cause England trouble. Patel, Pathan, Sreesanth are out of the Indian test bowling picture at home.

A Newbie 26th November 2008 22:05

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Originally Posted by geoff_boycotts_grandmother (Post 256623)
Good shout. Bristol is almost identical to the conditions England are struggling with in India. Plus Lewis' form has been great since England broke him.

If you'll read my post again you'll see I said not just in England.

Obviously he has the odd shocker, but he's reasonable enough, 1/35 in typical Indian conditions ICC Trophy 2006.

Did reasonably in Australia.

Ironically, the one ODI he played at Bristol, he went all around the park.

geoff_boycotts_grandmother 26th November 2008 22:47

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Originally Posted by Mr Popodopolous (Post 256655)
If you'll read my post again you'll see I said not just in England.

Obviously he has the odd shocker, but he's reasonable enough, 1/35 in typical Indian conditions ICC Trophy 2006.

Did reasonably in Australia.

Ironically, the one ODI he played at Bristol, he went all around the park.

Yes, one dead rubber game in India plus some wickets with the new ball when it is swinging. He'll be the perfect choice for those middle overs when India take their powerplay - and I'd certainly be willing to overlook the fact that he had an inferior one-day bowling record last summer than the marginally quicker Paul Collingwood.

A Newbie 26th November 2008 22:53

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Originally Posted by geoff_boycotts_grandmother (Post 256677)
Yes, one dead rubber game in India plus some wickets with the new ball when it is swinging. He'll be the perfect choice for those middle overs when India take their powerplay - and I'd certainly be willing to overlook the fact that he had an inferior one-day bowling record last summer than the marginally quicker Paul Collingwood.

As I said, he has one appalling game every now and again if you look through his stats, and last summer was his appalling game.

Besides, this is a dead rubber game, and it didn't help our new ball bowlers during the first 10 overs plus the first 5 over powerplay did it. When I say powerplay I mean powerplay circa pre this one where it was the first 15 overs and then you take 5 when you like.

geoff_boycotts_grandmother 26th November 2008 23:11

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Originally Posted by Mr Popodopolous (Post 256680)
As I said, he has one appalling game every now and again if you look through his stats, and last summer was his appalling game.

Besides, this is a dead rubber game, and it didn't help our new ball bowlers during the first 10 overs plus the first 5 over powerplay did it. When I say powerplay I mean powerplay circa pre this one where it was the first 15 overs and then you take 5 when you like.

Are you not concerned that he had an inferior list A bowling record to both Paul Collingwood and Luke Wright last season?

A Newbie 26th November 2008 23:15

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Originally Posted by geoff_boycotts_grandmother (Post 256692)
Are you not concerned that he had an inferior list A bowling record to both Paul Collingwood and Luke Wright last season?

Ah, List A. Yes, it is not great form, but if there is a way to get him back to the general form he showed before last season in ODI's for England, with the odd terrible performance thrown in as has been his form, then that would be a good thing. As it stands I wouldn't recall him but I'm not sure he would do that much worse than the power play overs today.

geoff_boycotts_grandmother 26th November 2008 23:30

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Originally Posted by Mr Popodopolous (Post 256695)
Ah, List A. Yes, it is not great form, but if there is a way to get him back to the general form he showed before last season in ODI's for England, with the odd terrible performance thrown in as has been his form, then that would be a good thing. As it stands I wouldn't recall him but I'm not sure he would do that much worse than the power play overs today.

I'd like to have the bar a little higher than today's performances.


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