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Chin Music 17th April 2009 08:53

Brett Lee is one who gets the ball to reverse either way but no-one was as deadly at reverse swing as the two W's, the greatest ever. They used the make the ball heavy one side technique which was started of by Sarfraz and Imran before them.

1000yardstare 17th April 2009 21:20

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Originally Posted by Chin Music (Post 308800)
Brett Lee is one who gets the ball to reverse either way but no-one was as deadly at reverse swing as the two W's, the greatest ever. They used the make the ball heavy one side technique which was started of by Sarfraz and Imran before them.

I always wondered why bowlers didn't carry on with the old fashioned method of wetting the ball on one side when it wasn't swinging. I remember seeing all the SA players getting hold of the ball and wetting one side a few years ago and getting results.

Gough says he doesn't like it because it makes the ball soft. I would think that getting the ball to do something in the air would be better than having a harder ball doing nothing.

Sangakkara on Akram -

Wasim Akram was the master swing bowler of the modern era. With Waqar Younis he formed one of the most lethal fast-bowling partnerships in the history of the game. When Wasim and Waqar were in their pomp during the mid-1990s they were a formidable force, decimating batting line-ups, and making Pakistan one of the world's best teams.

Wasim provided a finesse in his bowling that was rare in fast bowlers. Waqar, the perfect foil, pounded in to bowl fast and furiously. He also had great skill, but Wasim was the magician when it came to deception.

I only played against Wasim on a handful of occasions at the tail-end of his career. The first time was in the Champions Trophy in Kenya. He bowled just one delivery at me - a fast, skiddy bouncer that I ducked under. The next time was in Sharjah, where he uprooted my stumps with a vicious, swinging yorker with the new ball. The only time I prospered was in an innings in Morocco, back in 2002. During those brief encounters I discovered first-hand just why the world's great batsmen, the Tendulkars, Laras, de Silvas and Jayasuriyas, spoke of Wasim with such awe and respect.

Wasim was probably the most skillful and deceptive fast bowler that I have watched. Nothing was ever the same twice in a row. He tested every single part of your game as a batsman, probing away for chinks in your technique.
He would seem to be rushing towards you at the end of his run-up. He had great balance and a quick arm action, coupled with very strong shoulders, and had the ability to bowl deliveries that could be anywhere between 120 and 145kph with no discernible change in his action. This rapid change in pace from one delivery to the next was lethal.

Long before I seriously thought about a future career in cricket, I remember watching two of the most unforgettable deliveries ever, in the final of the 1992 World Cup. England were chasing 249 for victory and going well on 141 for 4 when Wasim came back for a mid-innings spell.

The first ball was the one round the wicket to Allan Lamb, England's match-winner during that period. The ball seemed to swing into the batsman, only to nip away at the last minute and take his off stump. It was a wicked, unplayable delivery. The next was perhaps even better, swinging about two feet to bowl Chris Lewis first ball. Lewis looked dumbfounded.

These deliveries were produced in the middle of the innings with the old ball. It was this unmatched ability to reverse-swing the ball that was Wasim's hallmark. It was an ability that was dogged by controversy, with many accusations around the world that reverse swing was the product of ball-tampering. I think these controversies took the focus away from what was a supreme skill.

Fast bowlers need to be able to bowl on any wickets with a ball that's in any condition. That is the true test of a bowler's skill. Wasim was able to do that. Flat pitches, slow pitches, quick pitches - he was an ever-present threat on them all. Some quick bowlers thrive only when the pitch has zest and lift; not Wasim.

I remember being on tour in Bangladesh when Wasim was a TV commentator. We invited him to share the secrets of reverse swing with our team. He was happy to do so. Indeed, he was always obliging and quick to share his vast knowledge and experience with us and other fellow cricketers.

He told us how the fielders and the bowlers needed to take the utmost care to prevent any moisture touching one side of the ball, so it could become rough, while keeping the other shined and smooth. He then explained in detail the complexities of wrist position, arm speed, and angles. It was fascinating.

Wasim's cricket career was not always smooth. When he was captain, there seemed to be regular rumours of dissatisfaction within the team. Pakistan has historically been a team that has always suffered from partisanship and power struggles, and captains of Pakistan have always needed to be very strong mentally to be able to withstand the pressures of leading a hugely talented but sometimes temperamental side. Talks of petitions being signed against the captain, of the captaincy changing hands, were a constant reality for Wasim when he was in charge.

Yet, for all this pressure and the nasty off-field politicking, it's a testament to his strength of character and his zest for the game that he still became a true legend of the sport; a man who could make the cricket ball talk; a man who was a lethal bowler at every stage of his career, and who would still be so if he decided to pick up a ball today. He played the game hard and with skill, lived life fully, and let his skill rise above petty controversies and squabbles.

If I were given the opportunity to challenge my skill as a batsman by picking bowlers from history whom to face, Wasim would be an automatic choice. Perhaps the greatest tribute you can pay him is that in the current era of fast bowlers there is no one who can be judged to be in the same class. He was a once-in-a-generation cricketer who lifted fast bowling to new levels, and helped carry Pakistan to the top of world cricket. A true legend.

1000yardstare 17th April 2009 22:22

An update on the bowlers 27 and under after the last ODI in SA and 1st-4 ODI Aus/Pak

2 ODI - 5 wickets at 12.20 econ 3.45 s/r 21.2 - Bollinger (27)
1 ODI - 1 wicket at 13.00 econ 4.33 s/r 18.0 - Siddle (24)
55 ODIs - 87 wickets at 24.60 econ 4.85 s/r 30.4 - Johnson (27)
22 ODIs - 38 wickets at 25.28 econ 5.33 s/r 28.4 - Tait (25)
57 ODIs - 88 wickets at 25.36 econ 4.92 s/r 30.8 - Gul (25)
53 ODIs - 79 wickets at 25.58 econ 4.80 s/r 31.9 - Malinga (25)
91 ODIs - 116 wickets at 25.83 econ 4.74 s/r 32.6 - Maharoof (24)
1 ODIs - 3 wickets at 26.00 econ 5.20 s/r 30.0 - Geeves (26)
56 ODIs - 84 wickets at 26.26 econ 4.67 s/r 33.6 - Taylor (24)
47 ODIs - 70 wickets at 27.48 econ 5.03 s/r 32.7 - Broad (22)
29 ODIs - 43 wickets at 27.81 econ 5.25 s/r 31.7 - Steyn (25)
31 ODIs - 44 wickets at 28.90 econ 4.94 s/r 35.0 - Tanvir (24)
49 ODIs - 60 wickets at 29.48 econ 5.04 s/r 35.0 - Edwards (27)
103 ODIs - 135 wickets at 29.81 econ 4.57 s/r 39.1 - Mortaza (25)
107 ODIs -152 wickets at 29.91 econ 5.25 s/r 34.1 - Pathan (24)
21 ODIs - 31 wickets at 30.16 econ 5.04 s/r 35.8 - Morkel (24)
27 ODIs - 40 wickets at 30.32 econ 5.65 s/r 32.1 - Sharma (20)
106 ODIs - 136 wickets at 30.93 econ 4.94 s/r 37.5 - Anderson (26)
4 ODIs - 6 wickets at 31.33 econ 5.22 s/r 36.0 - Parnell (19)
41 ODIs - 59 wickets at 31.45 econ 5.78 s/r 32.6 - Sreesanth (25)
41 ODIs - 46 wickets at 31.82 econ 4.81 s/r 39.6 - Patel (25)
11 ODI - 15 wickets at 32.06 econ 5.20 s/r 36.9 - Hilfenhaus (26)
47 ODIs - 60 wickets at 32.25 econ 5.36 s/r 36.0 - RP Singh (23)
31 ODIs - 36 wickets at 33.27 econ 4.67 s/r 42.7 - Asif (26)
27 ODIs - 37 wickets at 34.05 econ 5.85 s/r 34.8 - Plunkett (23)
21 ODIs - 26 wickets at 35.50 econ 5.39 s/r 39.4 - Southee (20)
31 ODIs - 26 wickets at 36.07 econ 4.96 s/r 43.5 - Rampaul (24)
4 ODIS - 4 wickets at 42.75 econ 5.63 s/r 45.5 - Laughlin (26)
13 ODIs - 11 wickets at 45.81 econ 5.41 s/r 50.7 - Zondeki (26)
10 ODIs - 4 wickets at 83.75 econ 5.23 s/r 96.0 - Arafat (27)

1000yardstare 18th April 2009 01:59

http://content.cricinfo.com/england/...ch/400059.html

I came across this on another board. :)

Chin Music 18th April 2009 07:09

KYS loved that story about the Ws, Wasim was a legend in what he did completely. What got me was that he really only needed a few yards to run in and he could generate ridiculous pace. There was a story that because of the strength of his wrist he could even generate good pace from a standing start.

A mate of mine played against him in the Birmingham league relatively recently (last few years) and said he was still a mare to face and wasn't short of a few words either. :cheesy:

Ali TT 19th April 2009 10:06

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFOjvZaXeQ8

wasim at his best

1000yardstare 21st April 2009 02:16

http://content.cricinfo.com/ci/conte...ry/140418.html

It would be good if say twice a year we could have a masterclass for our bowlers by some of the great bowlers.

Chin Music 21st April 2009 08:28

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Originally Posted by 1000yardstare (Post 309842)
http://content.cricinfo.com/ci/conte...ry/140418.html

It would be good if say twice a year we could have a masterclass for our bowlers by some of the great bowlers.

Remember that the MRF pace academy in Chennai was started ages ago by Dennis Lillee. It took them a number of years but has now started to pay dividends for India. England should look to do something similar with the likes of Goughie (a reverse swing master) and Si Jo given that he is unlikely to come back.

geoff_boycotts_grandmother 21st April 2009 14:11

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Originally Posted by Chin Music (Post 309852)
Remember that the MRF pace academy in Chennai was started ages ago by Dennis Lillee. It took them a number of years but has now started to pay dividends for India. England should look to do something similar with the likes of Goughie (a reverse swing master) and Si Jo given that he is unlikely to come back.

I think we need to get people like Wasim Akram as much for their input on the mental side of things: how to think as a bowler. At international level the coaching shouldn't be so much technical, it should be how to apply those techniques.

Chin Music 21st April 2009 15:14

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Originally Posted by geoff_boycotts_grandmother (Post 309912)
I think we need to get people like Wasim Akram as much for their input on the mental side of things: how to think as a bowler. At international level the coaching shouldn't be so much technical, it should be how to apply those techniques.

Agreed, I think bowlers minds could be scrambled by technical twaddle in terms of tweaking their actions. If there is something majorly wrong with their action they shouldn't be anywhere near the England team.

geoff_boycotts_grandmother 21st April 2009 15:55

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Originally Posted by Chin Music (Post 309927)
Agreed, I think bowlers minds could be scrambled by technical twaddle in terms of tweaking their actions. If there is something majorly wrong with their action they shouldn't be anywhere near the England team.

Actually re-reading it I think FBU was probably talking about the young bowlers. I'd also be in favour of a pace camp for the youngsters dealing with the more technical side, but I'd probably look for more of a bio-mechanist than a former test great to coach that.

Fatslogger 21st April 2009 16:00

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Originally Posted by geoff_boycotts_grandmother (Post 309950)
Actually re-reading it I think FBU was probably talking about the young bowlers. I'd also be in favour of a pace camp for the youngsters dealing with the more technical side, but I'd probably look for more of a bio-mechanist than a former test great to coach that.

I wonder what Ian Pont is up to at the moment.

1000yardstare 21st April 2009 16:07

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Originally Posted by Fatslogger (Post 309953)
I wonder what Ian Pont is up to at the moment.

I think he is out in South Africa working with a young bowler called Atul

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...ad.php?t=71318

geoff_boycotts_grandmother 21st April 2009 16:15

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Originally Posted by 1000yardstare (Post 309956)
I think he is out in South Africa working with a young bowler called Atul

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/sh...ad.php?t=71318

He certainly knows how to talk things up.

High Druid Nathan Barley 21st April 2009 16:17

I think he's slipping. It took him 2 sentences to mention his book.

High Druid Nathan Barley 21st April 2009 16:18

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Originally Posted by Fatslogger (Post 309953)
I wonder what fast bowling guru Ian Pont is up to at the moment.

Corrected

1000yardstare 21st April 2009 16:18

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Originally Posted by geoff_boycotts_grandmother (Post 309961)
He certainly knows how to talk things up.

:D

I can't wait to see the javelin style run up, never seen in cricket before.

geoff_boycotts_grandmother 21st April 2009 16:19

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Originally Posted by High Druid Nathan Barley (Post 309964)
I think he's slipping. It took him 2 sentences to mention his book.

I suspect his coaching is more lucrative and his book was a means of publicising his coaching.

Fatslogger 21st April 2009 16:23

So he's basically working with a net bowler?

Fatslogger 21st April 2009 16:24

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Originally Posted by High Druid Nathan Barley (Post 309967)
Corrected

Thanks, NB. My mistake.


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