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1000yardstare 29th November 2017 13:01

Jofra Archer
 
http://www.skysports.com/cricket/new...ay-for-england

The most impressive fast bowler playing in county cricket at the moment. Another five years to wait to play for England. He could be in the West Indies team at the moment. Why would he wait?

Think he is the most like Rabada of any player. Same age (22) height (6'4) and speed, recently recorded his fastest ball 94.6.

'He likes to show off his orthodox left-arm spin in the nets each morning and bat left-handed. He normally bats right-handed and bowls right-arm quick'.

Last season -13 games
Batting 638 runs at 45.57
Bowling 61 wickets at 25.29

Bestie 29th November 2017 13:28

He'd be a massive boost the the WI side. Selfishly it would be great to have him in England's attack in 5 years if he keeps going at his current rate but he's probably already a better bowler than most of the quicks WI have bar Gabriel and Roach and - on current form - a better batsman than half their top 6, too. He has that beautiful easy pace, too, and still young enough to get even quicker. We'd love to have a bowler like him out in Oz at the moment!

1000yardstare 29th November 2017 15:05

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Originally Posted by Bestie (Post 772653)
He'd be a massive boost the the WI side. Selfishly it would be great to have him in England's attack in 5 years if he keeps going at his current rate but he's probably already a better bowler than most of the quicks WI have bar Gabriel and Roach and - on current form - a better batsman than half their top 6, too. He has that beautiful easy pace, too, and still young enough to get even quicker. We'd love to have a bowler like him out in Oz at the moment!

If he didn't have qualifications to overcome he would be in the 16.
If everyone was fit and available -
Broad Anderson Roland-Jones Stokes Archer Wood :)

geoff_boycotts_grandmother 29th November 2017 15:29

I didn't realise Archer's batting had developed that much.

Summer of '77 29th November 2017 16:41

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Originally Posted by 1000yardstare (Post 772650)

Last season -13 games
Batting 638 runs at 45.57
Bowling 61 wickets at 25.29

Yeah, but all in Division Two, so it doesn't count.

Redmachine 29th November 2017 21:16

Is it really 5 years? If so, I don’t think he’ll hang on for that long. Is it 5 years from now, or when he started playing for Sussex?

sharky 29th November 2017 21:28

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Originally Posted by Redmachine (Post 772706)
Is it really 5 years? If so, I donít think heíll hang on for that long. Is it 5 years from now, or when he started playing for Sussex?

Think it's 5 years from now, and 7 in total.

oldandfat 30th November 2017 11:58

Given the vagaries of the WI board and the fact that he would then be classed as an Overseas player in CC financially (and cricket is his job) he is better off doing what he is doing - sad but true

Psyduck 1st December 2017 09:44

Have the qualification rules been tightened? I'm sure KP didn't need to serve 7 years, likewise Jordan.

sharky 1st December 2017 12:07

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Originally Posted by Psyduck (Post 772768)
Have the qualification rules been tightened? I'm sure KP didn't need to serve 7 years, likewise Jordan.

Yes a few years ago they changed it. It does seem a very long time for someone who has a British father to have to wait to play for England.

1000yardstare 1st December 2017 13:02

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Originally Posted by sharky (Post 772790)
Yes a few years ago they changed it. It does seem a very long time for someone who has a British father to have to wait to play for England.

Agree.

I don't think he will wait 5 years. He has got a taste of playing T20 for other teams. It won't come down to money. He could be playing for the WI, be the overseas bowler at Sussex and still play Big Bash, IPL etc.

square leg umpire 1st December 2017 17:31

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Originally Posted by sharky (Post 772790)
Yes a few years ago they changed it. It does seem a very long time for someone who has a British father to have to wait to play for England.

Would think they would run in to legal issues in that case, but doesn't seem to have been challenged.

billyguntheballs 1st December 2017 17:44

The best fast bowler in county cricket is Porter....and one that can play for ENGLAND TOO.

Psyduck 2nd December 2017 04:13

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Originally Posted by sharky (Post 772790)
Yes a few years ago they changed it. It does seem a very long time for someone who has a British father to have to wait to play for England.

I agree. Archer would probably be close to selection if he was qualified and Iím sure he would be part of the Lions set up. However, 5 years is a long time. He might be no good by then!

Redmachine 3rd December 2017 10:39

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Originally Posted by billyguntheballs (Post 772821)
The best fast bowler in county cricket is Porter....and one that can play for ENGLAND TOO.

Heís certainly not fast. Probably the same pace as Woakes, Overton and Ball. Look how thatís going.

billyguntheballs 8th December 2017 22:45

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Originally Posted by Redmachine (Post 773027)
Heís certainly not fast. Probably the same pace as Woakes, Overton and Ball. Look how thatís going.

The pace isn't their problem. When was the last time England had a genuinely quick 90+ bowler who actually took wickets? Haven't seen one since a young Finn.

The issue is, none of the names you mentioned seemed to be getting much swing or are brave enough to pitch the ball up.

I've seen loads of Porter this year and although his natural length is very English (just back of a good length) he is not afraid to pitch it up, can get swing and is far more accurate than Woakes and Overton. For a guy so young, he has terrific control.

Now, regardless of all that, the job of county cricket is to identify the best cricketers in England. Porter was the best bowler this season, so if we're not picking guys on how good they are, what should we pick them on?

I guess we should be looking to pick guys with "star quality" someone who would look good on a vitabiotics advert or for Head and Shoulders?

Psyduck 21st December 2017 11:36

Jofra's looking good in his BBL debut for Hobart Hurricanes - 3-1-14-2 and consistently up above 140kph.

AJ101 21st December 2017 11:51

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Originally Posted by Psyduck (Post 774620)
Jofra's looking good in his BBL debut for Hobart Hurricanes - 3-1-14-2 and consistently up above 140kph.

Yup he looked good, despite all the hype I think this is only the second time I've seen him, plenty of time to get a look between now and when he's qualified for England though!

Bestie 30th December 2017 21:04

Another one-man effort for Hobart in defeat: 25* off 16 balls and 1-22 off his 4 against Buttler's (who made some runs at last too) Sydney.

Psyduck 4th January 2018 10:15

Archer looking superb again in the BBL. 2-0-4-1 in his opening spell with speeds close to the 150kph mark.


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