The Nottinghamshire Thread

[Chiva]

The club has generally been held together by overseas signings. It's no surprise that, without them (or with them out of form) we're not a particularly good side. You could basically swap and change all of the players other than Read and Hussey and it wouldn't make a spectacular difference to the sum total of the side. Hales has been an improvement in the opening department and Mullaney looks bright, but after those four there isn't really another player who you would look at for next season and say you'd desperately like to keep him. I suppose that's being harsh on Andre Adams and Darren Pattinson but they irritate me frequently and it's easy to give them a voodoo curse after this game. Ask me next week and I'm sure I'll add them to the team. In spite of his hundred in this match, Patel has got to go. He epitomises the M.O. that is to be mediocre, and to spread mediocrity too.

[Chiva]

5/40 for Carter in the end; Denly, Key, G. Jones, Stevens and Amjad were his wickets. He also registered his highest first-class score, 16*, in Essex's first innings.

[zydol]

Originally Posted by Chiva

5/40 for Carter in the end; Denly, Key, G. Jones, Stevens and Amjad were his wickets. He also registered his highest first-class score, 16*, in Essex's first innings.

Thats a good go by carter - unless sidebottom moves on i cant see him getting a game - shreck should go and could carter jump ahead of Fletcher ? to me Fletcher needs to get more pace - i watched Fletcher;s speeds against Yorkshire av around 80mph not fast enough hes needs to be more aggressive

[Petarea]

Originally Posted by zydol

Didn't you just know Notts would **** it up - how many times have Notts been in this position and battled there way out of it HARDLY EVER

They are ****ing gutless spineless lot who are lead my a bloke who as got to go and take his hopeless backroom staff with him.

The CC is crap - look at broad hes any ok international comes and plays CC and runs through sides.

Newell got lucky with Amla or we would be near the bottom and whats happen to hussey playing no stroke today its like they wanted to get home.

Win the CC dont make me laugh thrashed by essex and somerset and maybe warks if broad had not played

Much as I keep trying to look on the positive side this season, I have to agree with most of this. It is the way we just roll over and die when we are really up against things that really grips my ****! A 10 wkt defeat is pathetic and shameful, there is no excuse for a side supposedly challenging for the title.
Our troubles up top are just not improving and are showing no signs of doing so. Players keep pulling out half an innings when they look sure to be dropped, which just keeps them in to go on and fail again.

The match against yarkshire is going to be very interesting, but I have little confidence going into it after this performance. And currently, I have no ****ing idea what team I would pick.

[Chiva]

I would pick:

Hales
Patel (Wood is sh*tter)
Wagh
Hussey
Brown
Mullaney?
Read
Franks
Fletcher
Adams
Pattinson

As long a tail as possible. The top four are probably the top four batsmen at the county, however bad that is. Mullaney if he's available. No point picking Shreck because he's not even that good a bowler any more, certainly not to the extent that we can prop up his useless batting, useless fielding and general dull-wittedness. I don't really like the look of the team but it's about as good as it's likely to get. I'd still tell Samit Patel he can f*ck off at the end of the year if anyone else will take him though.

[Petarea]

Originally Posted by Chiva

I would pick:

Hales
Patel (Wood is sh*tter)
Wagh
Hussey
Brown
Mullaney?
Read
Franks
Fletcher
Adams
Pattinson

As long a tail as possible. The top four are probably the top four batsmen at the county, however bad that is. Mullaney if he's available. No point picking Shreck because he's not even that good a bowler any more, certainly not to the extent that we can prop up his useless batting, useless fielding and general dull-wittedness. I don't really like the look of the team but it's about as good as it's likely to get. I'd still tell Samit Patel he can f*ck off at the end of the year if anyone else will take him though.

Why, he is our T20 specialist

To be fair, he has started showing promise again with the bat in the CC. He had that 77 no, then got shifted and will probably get shifted again to opener next week. I've still got faith in him, but we need some more 3 figures off him by the end of the season to really show if he is getting it back again.

[Gilo's Doosra]

Samit's tonne could just eclipse this hopeless defeat in the long run if it means a return to form, so I don't want to move him from #4 now. Therefore:

Hales
Wood/Brown (frankly I don't care)
Wagh
Patel
Hussey
Mullaney
Read
Franks
Adams
Sid
Pattinson

[downandout]

Well, I went to Taunton to watch the game today. First off, that was not a standard Taunton pitch. As the players well knew, it had been prepared to get a result (as it probably regularly is now) and particularly to take spin, and some of the bounce was particularly uneven. There was also some decent movement under the cloud cover with the new ball. In our first innings, Patel was particularly unlucky, out to a ball that barely got off the ground and shot on to him. In the 2nd innings, Wood looked way forward for his 1st ball LBW and the decision looked a little dubious, Hales looked plum on an LBW that wasn't given before he went (and looked in big trouble throughout against spin), Wagh also looked very unlucky with regard to his LBW decision as he looked to have hit it. Up to that point, he was batting beautifully. Reid was out to a very poor shot, trying to drag a ball outside his off stump across to leg - not the ideal shot in the circumstances. And Hussey, who had looked fairly comfortable, inexplicably left a nothing ball from De Bruyn - he just doesn't look the same player as he has been in previous seasons for us. Hopefully it's a blip.

In summary, IMO this game was won on the toss. Somerset got in and racked up a very handy score at a time when the pitch was at its best. Not having/picking a front-line spinner for a game where the pitch was prepared for one is not great to me. Though you'd then leave a front-line bowling attack of Adams, Franks and Pattinson, which just looks a little tame. I'm sure if we'd won the toss it would have been a different game entirely - and the Somerset fans weren't keen on the idea of chasing anything over 150 on that pitch, so if we'd limited their first innings better, or hadn't had quite so many failures in ours, things might have been different.

The team for Yorkshire picks itself really -
Hales, Patel, Wagh, Hussey, Mullaney, Brown, Read, Franks, Adams, Sidebottom, Pattinson

If Mullaney's still out, Wood is in. I don't think you can leave Mullaney out if he's fit as he's done well so far this season. We are very all-or-nothing in the batting, that's the problem. The bowling can mean that isn't an issue, but when the bowling fails (Somerset's 1st innings), the problem is highlighted. And we have to get ALOT more from Hussey in the CC if the next few games if we're gonna be challenging at the end.

[Sir Virgs and Zamora]

Originally Posted by Rigs

So he plays on a swinging track at TB to aid his bowling ave and flat decks in NZ to aid his batting ave.....nice I like it. The one thing I agree with you on is 'charl' is a good county bowler....no more no less.

Hay ho lets see if we can apply ourselves a little more second time around...although I very much doubt it.

I was being sarcastic as nz is seamers paradise

[Sir Virgs and Zamora]

Caught up with all the posts now. As I said before the game the taunton pitch is now one to get results as finally it has sunk in we can't draw our way to the title. I don't think it is fair to say the game was won on the toss because in the first inns from accounts of mates there we batted very well and notts were poor. Quite why no specialist spinner was picked god knows. I for one am pleased we are preparing result pitches like the seamer durham have produced and before them you guys. They make for far better cricket!

You won't see it this way but thaat result is great for the cc as it is wide open.

Now if only tres could remember how to bat!

[KP Nuts]

Originally Posted by Sir Virgs and Zamora

You won't see it this way but thaat result is great for the cc as it is wide open.

Mick Newell agrees. He thinks 6 teams can win it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cric...re/8874687.stm

I however do not think we will win another CC game other than the Warks one later this month. That leaves 5.

[Petarea]

Originally Posted by KP Nuts

Mick Newell agrees. He thinks 6 teams can win it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cric...re/8874687.stm

I however do not think we will win another CC game other than the Warks one later this month. That leaves 5.

"I think Somerset are right in the mix now and I am sure Durham and Lancashire will still think they can win it as well because we are such a bunch of useless incompetant ***** we were unable to kill off their title hopes by playing like a bunch of spastics at their place and rolled over and died a spineless death to give them a **** easy victory."

[Sir Virgs and Zamora]

Pet - the problem your bowlers had is that to take wickets at trent bridge you just need to trot in and put the ball on a length. Jimmy got eleven wickets for chuff sake. You came to taunton and got slapped silly by a pretty good batting line up.

As you say though I think scoreboard pressure was a factor which notts could not cope with.

You must agree it makes it more exciting though! Now if only the rain had not saved kent!

[Petarea]

Originally Posted by Sir Virgs and Zamora

Pet - the problem your bowlers had is that to take wickets at trent bridge you just need to trot in and put the ball on a length. Jimmy got eleven wickets for chuff sake. You came to taunton and got slapped silly by a pretty good batting line up.

As you say though I think scoreboard pressure was a factor which notts could not cope with.

You must agree it makes it more exciting though! Now if only the rain had not saved kent!

Not always the case at TB, the atmospheric conditions make a huge difference there. We have had many a match in the bright sunshine at TB where you also wondered just where the hell the wickets are coming from, but I take your point.

But I put little blame on the bowlers compared with the batsmen. I still stand by the fact to lose by 10 wkts at Taunton is an utter disgrace. Scoreboard pressure probably played a part, but our top order collapse time and time again for a small portion of **** all. A one off, you just shrug and say '**** it', but this has been happening for about the last 2 and a half seasons now and the bowlers and lower middle order must be pig sick of trying to get us to a total time and time again. Not getting max batting points was shameful, to actually end up following on is ****ing diabolical.

It certainly makes it more exciting from the point of view of the chasing pack, from the perspective of the only Notts fan on here who genuinely believed we would win the CC this season, then it doesn't make it more exciting, it well and truely ****s me off big time.

[downandout]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cric...re/8877450.stm

Looks like Mulla's out for the next couple of weeks...

[Gilo's Doosra]

Despite that shambolic performance, win at Yorks and we'll win the thing. I'm sort of optimistic about tomorrow: they'll presumably be missing Bresnan or Shahzad - perhaps both - and with any luck we'll have Sid replacing Shreck... Hopefully there'll be cloud cover and a Headingley pitch where we can stick them in and skittle them in a battle of the seamers

[zydol]

Originally Posted by Sir Virgs and Zamora

Pet - the problem your bowlers had is that to take wickets at trent bridge you just need to trot in and put the ball on a length. Jimmy got eleven wickets for chuff sake. You came to taunton and got slapped silly by a pretty good batting line up.

As you say though I think scoreboard pressure was a factor which notts could not cope with.

You must agree it makes it more exciting though! Now if only the rain had not saved kent!

Look - Notts lost and they will lose again. The problem that some of us have is the way they lose - time after time Notts never seem to dig in and scrap a result. Its like they get to day 2-3, and think cant win so **** it. Even the 13 runs to win, they gave it you, what happened to making a team work for every run to win.

The problem here and i wait the newell fans to reply is they have no fear newell dosent seem to lose it and go barmy - could you imagine a team not performing for brian clough or alex ferguson or even clive rice they would go barmy if a player doesnt try. Also theres no decent players waiting in the 2nds so they can keep failing. Get Newell out and is diddy men back room staff and get Stephen Fleming in who wons us the league last time he was here

[YAMS]

Originally Posted by zydol

The problem here and i wait the newell fans to reply is they have no fear newell dosent seem to lose it and go barmy - could you imagine a team not performing for brian clough or alex ferguson or even clive rice they would go barmy if a player doesnt try. Also theres no decent players waiting in the 2nds so they can keep failing. Get Newell out and is diddy men back room staff and get Stephen Fleming in who wons us the league last time he was here

[zydol]

Originally Posted by YAMS

[Gilo's Doosra]

Sid will face a fitness test in the morning. The squad also includes Luke Fletcher and Graeme White, which suggests to me that Charlie will probably be replaced regardless of Sid's fitness. Wood continues with the Mullah still injured.