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Old 2nd April 2016, 12:48   #1
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West indies celebration after winning against India 2016

West indies celebration after winning against India 2016

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Old 3rd April 2016, 16:57   #2
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Yeah the Windies have great spirit and love representing their region, until they get the chance to earn a quick buck in a soulless franchise tournament.
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Old 3rd April 2016, 19:50   #3
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Yeah the Windies have great spirit and love representing their region, until they get the chance to earn a quick buck in a soulless franchise tournament.
This is a boring short sited idealistic argument and pretty sour grape sounding.

We've been through this many times. It's easy to pass judgement on the actions of the West Indies cricketers, but in reality I don't see why anyone in their shoes would do act differently. This isn't England, India or Australia where players can still earn a handsome living centrally contracted to their country. The disparity in what the Windies and certain other nations for that matter can make playing T20 around the globe compared to playing Test cricket is absolutely phenomenal. At the same time I don't think many fully appreciate just how fractured relationship between the players and the WICB is either.

This notion that the Windies can claw their way back as a Test outfit is a bit of a pipe dream in my opinion, similar to the head in the sands view that Test cricket isn't severely struggling in the majority of nations currently participating. Stepping aside from money for a moment, don't you think cricketers gain a greater degree of satisfaction playing infront of packed crowds rather than the few 100 they might in a home Test match.

Twenty20 has resurrected West Indian cricket, not destroyed it.
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Old 3rd April 2016, 21:11   #4
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This is a boring short sited idealistic argument and pretty sour grape sounding.

We've been through this many times. It's easy to pass judgement on the actions of the West Indies cricketers, but in reality I don't see why anyone in their shoes would do act differently. This isn't England, India or Australia where players can still earn a handsome living centrally contracted to their country. The disparity in what the Windies and certain other nations for that matter can make playing T20 around the globe compared to playing Test cricket is absolutely phenomenal. At the same time I don't think many fully appreciate just how fractured relationship between the players and the WICB is either.

This notion that the Windies can claw their way back as a Test outfit is a bit of a pipe dream in my opinion, similar to the head in the sands view that Test cricket isn't severely struggling in the majority of nations currently participating. Stepping aside from money for a moment, don't you think cricketers gain a greater degree of satisfaction playing infront of packed crowds rather than the few 100 they might in a home Test match.

Twenty20 has resurrected West Indian cricket, not destroyed it.
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Old 3rd April 2016, 21:34   #5
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This is a boring short sited idealistic argument and pretty sour grape sounding.
No sour grapes, look at the time when it was posted.

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We've been through this many times. It's easy to pass judgement on the actions of the West Indies cricketers, but in reality I don't see why anyone in their shoes would do act differently. This isn't England, India or Australia where players can still earn a handsome living centrally contracted to their country. The disparity in what the Windies and certain other nations for that matter can make playing T20 around the globe compared to playing Test cricket is absolutely phenomenal. At the same time I don't think many fully appreciate just how fractured relationship between the players and the WICB is either.
I'm a purist. International cricket should be the pinnacle of the sport, regardless of monetary factors.

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This notion that the Windies can claw their way back as a Test outfit is a bit of a pipe dream in my opinion, similar to the head in the sands view that Test cricket isn't severely struggling in the majority of nations currently participating.
If they played with the same spirit in Test cricket, they could recover. I'm thinking something along the lines of New Zealand's exciting brand of cricket. They should model themselves on that and take it up a notch.

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Stepping aside from money for a moment, don't you think cricketers gain a greater degree of satisfaction playing infront of packed crowds rather than the few 100 they might in a home Test match. Twenty20 has resurrected West Indian cricket, not destroyed it.
Like I said, I'm a purist. If you offered me the chance to play in front of a packed crowd for the Chennai Super Kings, or represent my country, I would choose the latter.
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Old 3rd April 2016, 22:04   #6
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No sour grapes, look at the time when it was posted.



I'm a purist. International cricket should be the pinnacle of the sport, regardless of monetary factors.



If they played with the same spirit in Test cricket, they could recover. I'm thinking something along the lines of New Zealand's exciting brand of cricket. They should model themselves on that and take it up a notch.



Like I said, I'm a purist. If you offered me the chance to play in front of a packed crowd for the Chennai Super Kings, or represent my country, I would choose the latter.
Well, whatever format, they still need to sort out their governance.

You say purist, others might say snob.
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Well, whatever format, they still need to sort out their governance.

You say purist, others might say snob.
Others might be wrong. There is nothing snobbish about what I have said. I'm a traditionalist and I'm not going to apologise for that. I enjoy all forms of cricket, but for me internationals will always be above franchise cricket, and Test cricket should always be the pinnacle of the game.
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Old 3rd April 2016, 22:19   #8
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Others might be wrong. There is nothing snobbish about what I have said. I'm a traditionalist and I'm not going to apologise for that. I enjoy all forms of cricket, but for me internationals will always be above franchise cricket, and Test cricket should always be the pinnacle of the game.
If you call yourself a traditionalist or purist you are trying to set yourself up as being better or more virtuous than those with other opinions, so don't be upset if others take a negative view of you doing so.

It's not about right or wrong, just perspective.
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Old 3rd April 2016, 22:31   #9
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If you call yourself a traditionalist or purist you are trying to set yourself up as being better or more virtuous than those with other opinions, so don't be upset if others take a negative view of you doing so.

It's not about right or wrong, just perspective.
Ali, if you actually read what I have said you will probably realise that you've got the wrong end of the stick. I think of myself as a traditionalist who prefers the longer form of the game, if you prefer the shortest form of the game and franchise cricket then you are no less a fan than me, nor anyone else who causes themselves a traditionalist or purist. Some people prefer watching bowling, other prefer watching great batsman. Like you say, there is no right or wrong in terms of this, but you are wrong calling my comments snobbish.
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Ali, if you actually read what I have said you will probably realise that you've got the wrong end of the stick. I think of myself as a traditionalist who prefers the longer form of the game, if you prefer the shortest form of the game and franchise cricket then you are no less a fan than me, nor anyone else who causes themselves a traditionalist or purist. Some people prefer watching bowling, other prefer watching great batsman. Like you say, there is no right or wrong in terms of this, but you are wrong calling my comments snobbish.
I don't prefer one format over the others, although I'm less keen on one dayers. I hope test cricket doesn't disappear but the recent lack of close, high quality games doesn't bode well.

If you are saying that the purest pinnacle of the sport is tests, however, you can't escape that infers those who prefer other formats or "soulless" franchise T20s are supporting an inferior, less pure version of the sport. This is an elitist approach, regardless of whether it's right or wrong, so I'm afraid you will have to put up with some considering it snobbish.
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Old 3rd April 2016, 23:22   #11
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I don't prefer one format over the others, although I'm less keen on one dayers. I hope test cricket doesn't disappear but the recent lack of close, high quality games doesn't bode well.

If you are saying that the purest pinnacle of the sport is tests, however, you can't escape that infers those who prefer other formats or "soulless" franchise T20s are supporting an inferior, less pure version of the sport. This is an elitist approach, regardless of whether it's right or wrong, so I'm afraid you will have to put up with some considering it snobbish.
It's not an elitist view because like I said, I enjoy all forms of cricket. Franchise cricket is fairly soulless no matter how you look at it, which is why I'm against it in our domestic game. I watch the IPL and its of the Big Bash, but receiving international recognition should be something every sportsmen aims for, and in my view it should never be an inconvenience to play for your country. Watching Kohli has been a real privilege this WC, and I don't rate his performance any lower than what I would if he had produced this sort of form in a Test series. To sum up, I enjoy all form of crickets, but will always rate international cricket over franchise competitions, be it first class, one day or T20.
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Old 3rd April 2016, 23:40   #12
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It's not an elitist view because like I said, I enjoy all forms of cricket. Franchise cricket is fairly soulless no matter how you look at it, which is why I'm against it in our domestic game. I watch the IPL and its of the Big Bash, but receiving international recognition should be something every sportsmen aims for, and in my view it should never be an inconvenience to play for your country. Watching Kohli has been a real privilege this WC, and I don't rate his performance any lower than what I would if he had produced this sort of form in a Test series. To sum up, I enjoy all form of crickets, but will always rate international cricket over franchise competitions, be it first class, one day or T20.
That's fine, but you didn't really address Maty's point about cricket in the West Indies. It's all very well saying players should be altruistic and put their country over money but in the West Indies the combination of poor central contract salaries and an incompetent board are the problems, not the selfishness of the stars.
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That's fine, but you didn't really address Maty's point about cricket in the West Indies. It's all very well saying players should be altruistic and put their country over money but in the West Indies the combination of poor central contract salaries and an incompetent board are the problems, not the selfishness of the stars.
I would say everyone has to take some blame for the situation.
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I would say everyone has to take some blame for the situation.
The adults in the situation should take the blame. By that I mean, those responsible, management, they created the mess. That has to be addressed first before trying to blame or mend the players' situation.
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The adults in the situation should take the blame. By that I mean, those responsible, management, they created the mess. That has to be addressed first before trying to blame or mend the players' situation.
They all need to sit down together and sort it out. It's easy to blame the WICB, an organisation which is very ineffective, but some of the players come across as though they would be difficult to deal with.
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They all need to sit down together and sort it out. It's easy to blame the WICB, an organisation which is very ineffective, but some of the players come across as though they would be difficult to deal with.


Any trickier than the players from other countries?
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That West Indies' players have to seek their fortunes mostly in franchise cricket is hardly their fault. It does seem rather churlish to seek to deny them their celebrations after winning this tournament.

It'd be good to see them translate their obvious talent into success in the more testing formats. It's a long time now since a test series against the Windies made one excited at the prospect.
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After Australia I think the most well playing country is this West Indies. Congratulations for the win. I didn't support W.I. as I'm Indian (so I support India), but it's just a game. So, I'm happy for them.
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West Indies is a very good team. Chris Gayle is one most wonderful player in West Indies. Congratulations for them. It was the wonderful game.
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