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Old 13th July 2009, 10:16   #1741
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Big it up once more for the mddle lower order massive! Well done Collingwood, I knew he had the cojones and he showed the supposedly more gifted players how it was done. Even Flintoff did a bit of a job defensively. And of course well done to Swann, Panesar and indeed Jimmy. As MB said however, a disgrace for our top order to twice to get out cheaply.

For the Aussies as I said mid yesterday afternoon however, I was not impressed with Johnson in this game and his figures flattered him. Siddle's did not and Hauritz was ordinary in the afternoon/evening session. Where the heck Hilfenhaus was for much of the latter part of the day I don't know. I thought he was underbowled.
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Old 13th July 2009, 10:18   #1742
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Where the heck Hilfenhaus was for much of the latter part of the day I don't know. I thought he was underbowled.
He certainly was. Hauritz and North trying to get the last wicket was frankly ridiculous, and adds more grist to Jeff Thompson's mill.
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Old 13th July 2009, 10:21   #1743
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seems people agree with me re Punter's captaincy.

I will be amazed if there are any changes to the top order as there rarely are. Our batting was a joke.

To be fair given our record in recent test series getting a draw is a fantastic result!! Luckilly for us we always beat the aussies at Lord's so that will be easy.
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Old 13th July 2009, 10:24   #1744
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seems people agree with me re Punter's captaincy.
I will be amazed if there are any changes to the top order as there rarely are. Our batting was a joke.

To be fair given our record in recent test series getting a draw is a fantastic result!! Luckilly for us we always beat the aussies at Lord's so that will be easy.
The captain we should be looking at is Strauss - looks pretty clueless to me as he did in the West Indies..

I thought Ponting had an OK game, I could understand North and Hauritz at the end - but Id agree he underbowled Hilfenhaus and left Johnson on too long with the last new ball.
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Old 13th July 2009, 11:29   #1745
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Ponting is probably top of the tree, as a batsman. Pity he's such a ********.
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Old 13th July 2009, 11:43   #1746
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I see Hauritz has said that he would have wasted as much time too and that it did not break the spirit of the game. Guessing punter will have some words with him!
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Ponting was bowling North to get more overs in on the basis that more balls = more chances of a wicket when bowling at hapless tailenders. Obviously he hadn't counted the 57 deliveries they had already successfully negotiated.
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Ponting was bowling North to get more overs in on the basis that more balls = more chances of a wicket when bowling at hapless tailenders.
I'm fully aware of his thinking, which merely underlines the point that he's an idiot.

Strauss wasn't overly impressive, but with that bowling attack on that pitch what can you do? Surprised Ravi didn't get to turn his arm over, or KP.
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I'm fully aware of his thinking, which merely underlines the point that he's an idiot.

Strauss wasn't overly impressive, but with that bowling attack on that pitch what can you do? Surprised Ravi didn't get to turn his arm over, or KP.
I only said it because people keep asking what the hell was he doing bowling North.
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Old 13th July 2009, 13:33   #1751
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About Ponting yesterday.

Maybe I dreamt it, but didn't he say that Australia would be making representations to the ICC- wonder what the result of that would be.

Also, he says Australia will be probably be taking it up with the ECB.

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Old 13th July 2009, 13:35   #1752
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I can think of some time wasting by Ponting. Whenever he didn't agree with an umpring decision he would question him for 5 minutes.
This is quite a nasty trend that is creeping into cricket. For as long as cricket has been played 'the umpire is always right'. His authority in the middle is unquestioned - until recently. And what an ugly scene it makes with players approaching the umpire for his explanation of a decision. OK it's not quite at Roy Keane / Man Utd levels but it is there none the less and it needs stamping on by the authorities by introductions of fines or suspensions.

It sets an appalling example to kids and as you say, it wastes time because the umpire is never going to change his decision.
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You are allowed a polite enquiry as to why an lbw was declined, I believe. He might just say going down leg or something or not bother to tell you.

But arguing with an umpire is strictly not cricket.
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I am worried about how KP is going to cope with fast bowlers bowling full and straight.
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Pietersen will score minimum 2 hundreds this series.
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Old 13th July 2009, 16:30   #1756
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I can think of some time wasting by Ponting. Whenever he didn't agree with an umpring decision he would question him for 5 minutes.
And of cource thre was that strop when he had that catch turned down which was completly out of order. Great catch Ricky but the for it to be out the batsman has to touch it. Where was the match referee?
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And of cource thre was that strop when he had that catch turned down which was completly out of order. Great catch Ricky but the for it to be out the batsman has to touch it. Where was the match referee?
I think this is just another example of Ponting not playing with a full deck. To highlight England's time wasting but claim that Aus play in the spirit is just the sort hyperbole that is going to attract criticism and attention to his and his team's own behaviour, as it did vs India etc.
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Old 13th July 2009, 16:37   #1759
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This is quite a nasty trend that is creeping into cricket. For as long as cricket has been played 'the umpire is always right'. His authority in the middle is unquestioned - until recently. And what an ugly scene it makes with players approaching the umpire for his explanation of a decision. OK it's not quite at Roy Keane / Man Utd levels but it is there none the less and it needs stamping on by the authorities by introductions of fines or suspensions.

It sets an appalling example to kids and as you say, it wastes time because the umpire is never going to change his decision.
The umpire will never change that particular decision. I think the point of the behaviour (which is intimidation in my book) is that you are working the umpire over, making the umpire question himself

-----did I get that one wrong?....maybe I did ----

and trying to increase the chances of the ump giving a decision in your favour next time.

I recall Ponting was at it many times in 2005, in fact there were times when he and the likes of Hadeyn would almost "rush" the umpire.

Extremely unattractive.
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About Ponting, this was what I read on another forum.

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Sadly in a home Ashes summer the Eng media are so powerful and partsian that any questionable aspect by Eng will be swept under the carpet and this will just be used by all and sundry to have another go at Ricky Ponting and the Aus players :no

And people wonder why everyone loves to beat the English.
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