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Old 19th October 2017, 19:34   #41
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Cricket owes much of its appeal and enjoyment to the fact that it should be played not only according to the Laws, but also within the Spirit of Cricket.

The major responsibility for ensuring fair play rests with the captains, but extends to all players, umpires and, especially in junior cricket, teachers, coaches and parents.

Respect is central to the Spirit of Cricket.

Respect your captain, team-mates, opponents and the authority of the umpires.

Play hard and play fair.

Accept the umpireís decision.

Create a positive atmosphere by your own conduct, and encourage others to do likewise.

Show self-discipline, even when things go against you.

Congratulate the opposition on their successes, and enjoy those of your own team.

Thank the officials and your opposition at the end of the match, whatever the result.

Cricket is an exciting game that encourages leadership, friendship and teamwork, which brings together people from different nationalities, cultures and religions, especially when played within the Spirit of Cricket.
All very laudable aspirations but possibly a little naÔve in the light of how professional cricket has developed very much along the lines of other sports whose participants are highly paid and where winning is more important than sportsmanship (whatever one understands by that).
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All very laudable aspirations but possibly a little naÔve in the light of how professional cricket has developed very much along the lines of other sports whose participants are highly paid and where winning is more important than sportsmanship (whatever one understands by that).
"Accept the umpire's decision" seems especially outdated in the DRS era.
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Old 23rd October 2017, 12:26   #43
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"Accept the umpire's decision" seems especially outdated in the DRS era.
It is an umpire who adjudicates using DRS, so the umpires decision is still final and the entire system is built around dismissing "howlers", so if the margins are small, the onfield umpires decision almost always stands. It is a great system.
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It is an umpire who adjudicates using DRS, so the umpires decision is still final and the entire system is built around dismissing "howlers", so if the margins are small, the onfield umpires decision almost always stands. It is a great system.
Yes, I know that. Nevertheless, any player reviewing via DRS is, by definition, not accepting the umpire's decision.
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Yes, I know that. Nevertheless, any player reviewing via DRS is, by definition, not accepting the umpire's decision.
Yes, it's one of the most offensive aspects of the DRS system, and I imagine it will have a considerable trickle-down effect. The upside is that this aspect of the system also now makes a mockery of those non-walking gobshites who announce that making the decision is the umpire's business. In any case, I look forward to a time when the players are no longer the triggers for the DRS system -- not least because they're generally in a worse position to judge decisions than the umpire is, and thus they waste a lot of time with ignorant referrals.
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Yes, it's one of the most offensive aspects of the DRS system, and I imagine it will have a considerable trickle-down effect.
In recent years, I've noticed an increasing number of county batsmen showing ill concealed dissent when being given out. Remaining at the crease and checking their pad position in relation to the stumps, before staring at the umpire and trudging off with a long shake of the head. Or waving the bat in the direction at the ump to indicate that there was contact. Of course, they all do depart, suggesting that the umpire's decision is ultimately respected, although not with the good grace that I believe Spirit Of Cricket is asking for.
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Yes, I know that. Nevertheless, any player reviewing via DRS is, by definition, not accepting the umpire's decision.
Trudging off because the laws of the game say he has to is not necessarily, and certainly not wholeheartedly, accepting the umpire's decision either.

I've no problem with the referral to DRS form of not accepting the umpire's decision. We all know how umpires often got it wrong long before the days of DRS. There is no reason to suppose their eyesight and hearing are any better today but we now have DRS to minimise errors in the final decision, which is a good thing.

Given the number of times a player must walk when he thinks he has been given out incorrectly, it is perfectly understandable that most players don't walk when they know they should have been given out.
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... I've no problem with the referral to DRS form of not accepting the umpire's decision. We all know how umpires often got it wrong long before the days of DRS. There is no reason to suppose their eyesight and hearing are any better today but we now have DRS to minimise errors in the final decision, which is a good thing.

Given the number of times a player must walk when he thinks he has been given out incorrectly, it is perfectly understandable that most players don't walk when they know they should have been given out.
But the question is whether certain behaviours are against the spirit of the game, not whether you would disapprove of them.
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Valid comment if there were a consistent and universal interpretation of the term, "spirit of the game".

Otherwise, just so much hot air.
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Valid comment if there were a consistent and universal interpretation of the term, "spirit of the game" ...
The preamble added to the Laws of Cricket in the year 2000 -- which I cut and pasted from the Lord's website into post #40 above -- gives a clear vision of the Spirit of Cricket, and I think it is intended to be taken as definitive.
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Yes, I know that. Nevertheless, any player reviewing via DRS is, by definition, not accepting the umpire's decision.
And whats wrong with that if it eliminates home bias which plagued cricket for decades. I do not see your point. Do you believe umpires are infallible?
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And whats wrong with that if it eliminates home bias which plagued cricket for decades. I do not see your point. Do you believe umpires are infallible?
It's not that they should be seen as infallible just that they are fair to both teams, and that their decision is final and to be respected. However, I differ with the other posters in that I think in the international game the drs process has helped umpires regain the respect and trust of players. I can't comment on dissent at lower levels of the game and why this might be increasing. Could be due to DRS being available in Tests, or just that society has become increasingly fractious since the Brexit vote () or any combination of other possibilities.
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The preamble added to the Laws of Cricket in the year 2000 -- which I cut and pasted from the Lord's website into post #40 above -- gives a clear vision of the Spirit of Cricket, and I think it is intended to be taken as definitive.
That may be the intention and I dare say some of those putting it forward actually believe that cricket, for all its virtues, is a higher form of human activity.

Most, however, will see it as a meaningless piece of posturing and not expect people to undergo temporary character transformations during the time they spend on a cricket field.
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That may be the intention and I dare say some of those putting it forward actually believe that cricket, for all its virtues, is a higher form of human activity.

Most, however, will see it as a meaningless piece of posturing and not expect people to undergo temporary character transformations during the time they spend on a cricket field.
What kind of research did you do to arrive at that figure of "most"? In my experience of various kinds of amateur cricket there is a good deal of respect for the Spirit of Cricket around, and an implicit acknowledgement that yes, cricket actually is a higher form of human activity.

Though we are all human (or at least most of us are), one of the aspects of the Spirit of Cricket that the Preamble to the Laws doesn't make explicit is the willingness to tolerate occasion lapses of the Spirit in others and also in oneself.

As far as meaningless pieces of posturing are concerned, the Spirit of Cricket has a long way to go before it can hope to match the standard set by your post.
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It was a rational assumption. I'd recommend making some yourself. Otherwise, carry on tilting at windmills and perhaps even believing in fairies.
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It's not that they should be seen as infallible just that they are fair to both teams, and that their decision is final and to be respected. However, I differ with the other posters in that I think in the international game the drs process has helped umpires regain the respect and trust of players. I can't comment on dissent at lower levels of the game and why this might be increasing. Could be due to DRS being available in Tests, or just that society has become increasingly fractious since the Brexit vote () or any combination of other possibilities.
I agree with regards to umpires and their standing in international cricket. The sheer number of correct decisions that Taufel and Dar got during their best years, retained through DRS made them standouts and elevated the performance of all umpires around them.

The DRS has nothing to do with public school boys and their delusions of grandeur that they can never and should never be given out. Cricketers in the county system are some of the most pampered sports people in our rainy country and to use their behaviour as an excuse and blame it on DRS is illogical with zero basis in fact or truth.
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