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Old 7th December 2017, 01:58   #521
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the dismissal of Woakes opened the door. the umpire was guessing when he gave it, on snicko the edge didn't match the spike. Umpires had a poor day.
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Old 7th December 2017, 04:07   #522
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I wouldn't be bringing Kevin Pietersen back. He hasn't played real cricket for years now.
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Old 7th December 2017, 04:15   #523
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It's certainly rare for visiting spinners to take a series by the scruff of the neck in Aus, but there is a more modest function to fulfil - the tying up of one end to rest the quicks, nicking out occasional wickets, breaking partnerships and cashing in when a surface offers some help.
True enough. It can be tough work for quicks, especially overseas quicks not used to the conditions. Usually goes like, the ball does a bit in the first 20 overs, when wickets are not only more likely, but a must. Then it's a slog for about 60 overs in hot conditions with the ball not veering off the straight.

Having someone to at least keep an end quiet is helpful. Either a medium pace or spin, as long as they don't go for many. If they jag the occasional wicket, great. Tough for the quicks without at least a very good part timer to help them out. Root has probably looked as good as Moeen, neither have bowled well though.
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Old 7th December 2017, 07:18   #524
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I think the poms can still win a test.

We have a brittle lineup on our day, we could go into bat and be all out for 150 on day one, poms go onto put 300 on and we are in big trouble.

These teams are closer than many think and this pommie teams not as bad as some are making out, it just needs a few changes.
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Old 7th December 2017, 08:57   #525
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Moeen Ali to captain England in 2-day match against Cricket Australia XI. ENGLAND SQUAD: Moeen Ali (C), Jake Ball, Gary Ballance, Mason Crane, Tom Curran, Ben Duckett, Ben Foakes (wk), Keaton Jennings, Dan Lawrence, Jack Leach, Liam Livingstone, Mark Wood skysports.tv/FKF5Og
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Old 7th December 2017, 10:38   #526
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I think the poms can still win a test.

We have a brittle lineup on our day, we could go into bat and be all out for 150 on day one, poms go onto put 300 on and we are in big trouble.

These teams are closer than many think and this pommie teams not as bad as some are making out, it just needs a few changes.
There's no doubt that on the batting side you could put together a composite top 7 that would struggle in County Cricket!! Cook, Bancroft, Vince, Khawaja, Malan, Handscomb, Paine.........Moeen and Bairstow could be selected on current form too whilst Marsh is surely due to return to normal ways soon.

But if England are to win a Test then I think 2 of the Aussie quicks need to break down before Melbourne. Unfortunately, it seems the one series injury ravaged Aussie fast bowlers are always fit for is the Home Ashes.
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Old 7th December 2017, 10:38   #527
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Moeen Ali to captain England in 2-day match against Cricket Australia XI. ENGLAND SQUAD: Moeen Ali (C), Jake Ball, Gary Ballance, Mason Crane, Tom Curran, Ben Duckett, Ben Foakes (wk), Keaton Jennings, Dan Lawrence, Jack Leach, Liam Livingstone, Mark Wood skysports.tv/FKF5Og
Why is Moeen playing when he's probably the one who needs the rest the most?
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Old 7th December 2017, 10:41   #528
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Moeen Ali to captain England in 2-day match against Cricket Australia XI. ENGLAND SQUAD: Moeen Ali (C), Jake Ball, Gary Ballance, Mason Crane, Tom Curran, Ben Duckett, Ben Foakes (wk), Keaton Jennings, Dan Lawrence, Jack Leach, Liam Livingstone, Mark Wood skysports.tv/FKF5Og
What was the point of this match if England aren't going to use it to give some failing batsmen a bit of a confidence boost? Bairstow, Vince, Cook and Malan could all do with some time in the middle even if it is against some rubbish bowling.
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There's no doubt that on the batting side you could put together a composite top 7 that would struggle in County Cricket!! Cook, Bancroft, Vince, Khawaja, Malan, Handscomb, Paine.........Moeen and Bairstow could be selected on current form too whilst Marsh is surely due to return to normal ways soon.
To be fair, Cook's availability and form during the first half of the last county season went a long way towards Essex storming away to a lead which they never relinquished. Against higher quality bowling, though, there have to be doubts that he's still got it.
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Old 7th December 2017, 11:02   #530
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To be fair, Cook's availability and form during the first half of the last county season went a long way towards Essex storming away to a lead which they never relinquished. Against higher quality bowling, though, there have to be doubts that he's still got it.
True, if he quit International cricket and just played for Essex, he could be your next man to 100 FC tons.
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Old 7th December 2017, 11:04   #531
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To be fair, Cook's availability and form during the first half of the last county season went a long way towards Essex storming away to a lead which they never relinquished. Against higher quality bowling, though, there have to be doubts that he's still got it.
It has been a slippery slope for him that started in the home 2013 Ashes series IMO. He's been frequently exposed against decent attacks that have real pace. I still think he has enough to be around against the lesser lights that he might face next summer but even then he has not converted scores that well in the last couple of years or so. He has 6 tons in the last 57 tests starting from July 2013 (average still above 40 at that time so hardly awful). Prior to the start of 2013 home Ashes he had 25 test tons from 92 tests, a ratio that would have given him a very good chance of getting close to SRTs record of 51 test tons. Now that is clearly not going to happen and I doubt he has that much more natural time in test cricket. It isn't age (he reaches 33 on Christmas Day) but miles on the clock that might just have worn him down.
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It has been a slippery slope for him that started in the home 2013 Ashes series IMO. He's been frequently exposed against decent attacks that have real pace. I still think he has enough to be around against the lesser lights that he might face next summer but even then he has not converted scores that well in the last couple of years or so. He has 6 tons in the last 57 tests starting from July 2013 (average still above 40 at that time so hardly awful). Prior to the start of 2013 home Ashes he had 25 test tons from 92 tests, a ratio that would have given him a very good chance of getting close to SRTs record of 51 test tons. Now that is clearly not going to happen and I doubt he has that much more natural time in test cricket. It isn't age (he reaches 33 on Christmas Day) but miles on the clock that might just have worn him down.
I wouldn't be looking to pension him off just yet. If he continues to struggle in the Ashes I might be inclined to give him the New Zealand series off and reassess at the start of the English summer.
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What was the point of this match if England aren't going to use it to give some failing batsmen a bit of a confidence boost?
Fair point - Moeen has been basically dropped to the 2nd XI and fobbed off with the captaincy to soften the blow.

Awesome chance for the Lions etc to stake a claim for selection for the remaining tests.

I predict that Trevor Clueless will pick the same team for the WACA and only react at 3-0.
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I think he probably is a bit of an idiot -- he is Australian after all ...
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Perhaps, though, he doesn't deal in offensive stereotypes based upon nationality.

This situation is little to do with coaching and much to do with player quality.
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I'd be surprised if that were the case -- after all, he is Australian. If you've got any evidence one way or the other I'd be happy to hear it, but meanwhile congratulations for your extremely astute use of the word "perhaps".
As you say, I was assuming Bayliss may not indulge in such things and a search for evidence, either way, would be rather unrewarding (and not a task that, by the way, that would be necessary in your case).

I wonder if there is any way Ballance may put himself into the reckoning for Perth.
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Why is Moeen playing when he's probably the one who needs the rest the most?
His "injury" is just a finger thing so he may not bowl - doesn't impact his batting.

But then he was "passed fit" to bowl before the 2nd test so not sure why this is still being peddled as an injury.
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His "injury" is just a finger thing so he may not bowl - doesn't impact his batting.

But then he was "passed fit" to bowl before the 2nd test so not sure why this is still being peddled as an injury.
Only to justify not picking crane?
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Didn't affect the result but hate it when umpires do that.
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To be fair, Cook's availability and form during the first half of the last county season went a long way towards Essex storming away to a lead which they never relinquished. Against higher quality bowling, though, there have to be doubts that he's still got it.
Against higher quality fast bowling there's doubts as to whether he ever had it.

What's concerning though is him getting out to Lyon. He use to be an excellent player of spin.
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Only to justify not picking crane?
Well that is a view but one based on zero evidence or logic.
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Against higher quality fast bowling there's doubts as to whether he ever had it.

What's concerning though is him getting out to Lyon. He use to be an excellent player of spin.
Really? He scored a century against the likes of McGrath, Clark and Lee. If I'm not mistaken, he scored a double and a century plus against Johnson and Siddle, admittedly JOhnson wasnt quite at his best for whatever reason in 2010 but Siddle was at the peak of his powers. None the less there was pace and bonce and swing.

He also scored a pretty impressive century against Steyn, Morkel and Ntini, one of the best I've seen in SA against SA.
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