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Old 28th August 2017, 10:55   #161
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Scoring a Test fifty is nothing for a failed England batsman to 'brag' about, Caddick and Harmison almost made one (both HS of 49no) and plenty of bowlers have made them or get very close.

A few highest scores of England bowlers (none quite 'all rounders')

Tudor 99no (50 x1)
DeFreitas 88 (50 x4)
Swann 85 (50 x5)
Emburey 75 (50 x10)
Gough 65 (50 x2)
Old 65 (50 x2)
Pringle 63 (50 x1)
Giles 59 (50 x4)
Cork 59 (50x 3)
Schofield 57 (50 x1)
Dilley 56 (50 x2)
Finn 56 (50 x1)
Plunkett 55no (50 x1)
Ealham 53no (50 x2)
Salisbury 50 (50 x1)


Dilley can even boast WHEN he made his highest score, a certain Test in 1981 at Headingley more famously linked to a certain Ian Botham.....


Maybe some were "no mugs with the bat" but they may well end up having done more than any batsman clinging to a fifty as the biggest achievement in their Test career. Sure some had quite long Test careers, but others like Finn show a fifty means little in the Test batting hall of prestige.

A 'big' fifty maybe, say 75-80 or higher, but just over or not even on halfway towards a hundred is literally no biggie.....

Just see where their high scores would sit in a table of non-batsmen, and in this day and age they ought to be humiliated not to leave the Test arena without a hundred as they tend to get plenty of chances these days and pitches are better, such that even Lyth, Compton, Robson and Jennings got one before being dumped......

Thought some might like to see a list of a few lower order players who've made fifties for England, not going back too far. Few interesting names on the list, and near misses in Caddick and Harmison.

Bottom line is Tudor can laugh as long as he lives that he got closer to a hundred than any batsmen who didn't reach that landmark.......... (well bar any who were also 99no which is unlikely to happen, not very often anyway and not get another chance to make a hundred)
No idea what you're trying to argue here.
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Old 28th August 2017, 18:44   #162
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Guess it's apt that in this Summer of half centuries, England would score their highest total of all time without a century (but six fifties).
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Old 28th August 2017, 20:45   #163
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But who was the prettiest?
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Old 28th August 2017, 21:34   #164
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Old 28th August 2017, 21:37   #165
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Always Mo's. Malan's belongs on t'other thread.
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Old 28th August 2017, 21:44   #166
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Always Mo's. Malan's belongs on t'other thread.
Likewise Stonefish.
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Old 28th August 2017, 22:13   #167
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Which one of them didn't survive a drop/failed review/out off a new ball?
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Guess the player?

This player had the ups and downs that you might expect of a young player getting to grips with international cricket, nevertheless had a health 5 centuries after 18 games. However, in his next 28 games by the time he was maturing he would score 12 50s and only go on to 100+ on 3 occasions.
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Old 18th September 2017, 14:16   #169
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Guess the player?

This player had the ups and downs that you might expect of a young player getting to grips with international cricket, nevertheless had a health 5 centuries after 18 games. However, in his next 28 games by the time he was maturing he would score 12 50s and only go on to 100+ on 3 occasions.
Are we talking about an England player in tests? Because I can't find anyone who fits those criteria.
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Old 18th September 2017, 15:55   #170
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Are we talking about an England player in tests? Because I can't find anyone who fits those criteria.
Yes! Think carefully, it isn't a current member of the side...............
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Old 18th September 2017, 17:28   #171
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Yes! Think carefully, it isn't a current member of the side...............
I wonder who it might be...
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I assumed you were talking about all games in a career,otherwise I'm not sure what point you are trying to make.
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Old 18th September 2017, 19:24   #173
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I assumed you were talking about all games in a career,otherwise I'm not sure what point you are trying to make.
I had done similar with Cook and Pietersen in highlighting marked chunks when both players had an extended period of not scoring many centuries but overall provided ok returns but marked by a large number of 50s. I was simply looking for the most marked 50 scoring period of this player's career. If anything this player, and Ali has twigged that it is Bell, scored less 50s in that time than I anticipated as I recalled it as the era when so often he would look pretty good but throw it away when well set. Perhaps I should have looked at 20s to 40s as well!
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I had done similar with Cook and Pietersen in highlighting marked chunks when both players had an extended period of not scoring many centuries but overall provided ok returns but marked by a large number of 50s. I was simply looking for the most marked 50 scoring period of this player's career. If anything this player, and Ali has twigged that it is Bell, scored less 50s in that time than I anticipated as I recalled it as the era when so often he would look pretty good but throw it away when well set. Perhaps I should have looked at 20s to 40s as well!
I thought the title of the thread gave it away! I think you could have reduced the matches by one and got a 100 less as well.
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I thought the title of the thread gave it away! I think you could have reduced the matches by one and got a 100 less as well.
I had a look at other players records at times where they didn't convert tons so well yet I hadn't done an analysis of Bell at any point. This selected period dates from the start of the notorious 2006/7 Ashes series where Bell batted quite well but didn't convert up until early 2009 where he had got dropped after really not kicking on at all and going through a bit of a slump. If anything I could have probably knocked off the last few games but in some respects it would be overdoing the 'selected period'.
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He's finally done it! He's kept us waiting a few months but Belly boy has finally got his 100 up. his 100th first class 50 that is!
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He's finally done it! He's kept us waiting a few months but Belly boy has finally got his 100 up. his 100th first class 50 that is!
Good to see him sign off with a 50.
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I had done similar with Cook and Pietersen in highlighting marked chunks when both players had an extended period of not scoring many centuries but overall provided ok returns but marked by a large number of 50s. I was simply looking for the most marked 50 scoring period of this player's career. If anything this player, and Ali has twigged that it is Bell, scored less 50s in that time than I anticipated as I recalled it as the era when so often he would look pretty good but throw it away when well set. Perhaps I should have looked at 20s to 40s as well!
I had an initial suspicion that Bell must be involved here but as I misunderstood the criteria the facts didn't seem to fit. It's reassuring to know that nothing ever changes on Cricket 247.
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Another 50 for Root.
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Perhaps there should be a Joe Root Pretty Little Fifties thread.
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