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Old 7th September 2017, 22:40   #161
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Was looking for the Aus scorecard, Click scorecard and you expect to see a full scorecard not the last innings only, with 1st inns 2nd inns 3rd inns as headings. Clicking on Ban 1st innings you see that and Aus 2nd inns. Unbelievable.
You have to wonder what research Cricinfo undertook when ascertaining how to upgrade the site for maximum benefit to its users. I'd hazard a guess at none.
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Old 7th September 2017, 22:51   #162
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You have to wonder what research Cricinfo undertook when ascertaining how to upgrade the site for maximum benefit to its users. I'd hazard a guess at none.
Are the web developers cricket fans?
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Old 7th September 2017, 22:57   #163
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You have to wonder what research Cricinfo undertook when ascertaining how to upgrade the site for maximum benefit to its users. I'd hazard a guess at none.
Absolutely none, no question about it.

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Clearly not. I'm not convinced they know much about development either.
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Old 7th September 2017, 23:13   #164
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To add to the Cricinfo gripes - I can't seem to see the series & career averages during a match any longer. Is this just me or have they taken these off?
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Old 8th September 2017, 00:04   #165
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One more whilst we're on a roll - do they no longer do the traditional match previews with the expected teams, players in the spotlight, most recent results, conditions etc? I couldn't find one for this test.
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Old 8th September 2017, 00:09   #166
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To add to the Cricinfo gripes - I can't seem to see the series & career averages during a match any longer. Is this just me or have they taken these off?
I think you're right. On the actual scorecard those series and career averages aren't shown as they used to be. If you click on "statistics" at the top of the scercard you will be presented with various colourful graphs and pie-charts to comply with the modern view that sites must be exciting to look at, not in boring old alphabetical or numerical lists.

So to see series averages you have to start with the "live scores" page and go to "tournament home" page of the relevant series. And to see players' career averages you have to click on their name on the scorecard. Cricinfo have gone to a great deal of trouble to make things unnecessarily time-consuming for cricket followers.
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Old 8th September 2017, 00:47   #167
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One more whilst we're on a roll - do they no longer do the traditional match previews with the expected teams, players in the spotlight, most recent results, conditions etc? I couldn't find one for this test.
I think they've retained at least this feature...but I went looking for it just now and couldn't find it in the hotchpotch of links. Aargh!

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I think you're right. On the actual scorecard those series and career averages aren't shown as they used to be. If you click on "statistics" at the top of the scercard you will be presented with various colourful graphs and pie-charts to comply with the modern view that sites must be exciting to look at, not in boring old alphabetical or numerical lists.

So to see series averages you have to start with the "live scores" page and go to "tournament home" page of the relevant series. And to see players' career averages you have to click on their name on the scorecard. Cricinfo have gone to a great deal of trouble to make things unnecessarily time-consuming for cricket followers.
Thanks - glad its just not me being dim! Completely agreed with the bolded bit - somebody needs to tell them 'if it ain't broke don't fix it' is spoken for a reason.
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Old 8th September 2017, 08:23   #168
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24/4 now. WI got to the 70s before losing their 4th wicket.
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England in some strife with the top order. There is a shock

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As the summer comes to an end England are 4 down for not very many. Really similar to the start of the summer, or last summer, or the summer before. Really not much further forward in solving the top 5 problems Maybe Malan will consolidate a place, Westley looks guaranteed a Christmas at home, Stoneman - toss a coin.
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Tests are generally won by 5 players having good games. England's problem is they only have maybe 8 players capable of decent games.
Unfortunately the passengers are a central problem, one that sticking Root at #3 may not solve and give more problems to him and the side. With even one more batsman, and not rushing Woakes back, England probably wouldn't have lost the previous Test.

May be early doors in their Test careers, or possibly late........... but none are looking too impressive, and that puts pressure on Cook, Root and the middle to lower order to compensate too often. Can Cook play his natural game if he's worried it will be next to nothing for two down before he's faced 30 balls.......? And if he and Root go cheaply, England are candidates for a lot down before they reach 100.

How long do you give them? Longer IF they look like they're progressing, only Malan has looked remotely like doing so and he's needing several lives to make his fifties.....

Stoneman - 4 inns, 80 runs @ 20.00
Westley - 8 inns, 149 runs @ 18.63
Malan - 8 inns, 182 runs @ 26.00

411 runs between them for 19 times out, that would make their average 21.63 which is some way down on where you might reasonably expect even after 4-8 innings.

It's not as if you won't survive good balls, or can't, no rule says debutants and those early in their career have to get out cheap. Malan has ridden his luck a fair bit, they all have, and for all their luck they've ridden they have that to show for it.

Technically not good enough, they ain't gonna learn that quickly enough in Tests. I'd like to say I'd be shocked if Stoneman and Westley were on the plane with the others, and Malan will be lucky if he is, but England's policies have put them in a corner and they're effectively handicapping themselves with no prospect of giving replacements a knock.

They could have tried one or two in the ODIs, if I remembering correctly that Malan was left out of the ODI squad that's very odd (to be in for the shortest and longest format, but not the middle)

Would think all three could have played in the T20Is, it's just about right for the time they spend at the crease........!
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Old 8th September 2017, 08:29   #169
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Out of time again CB...McGrath and Warne and co are long gone and Leeds no longer have Billy Bremner.
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Cricinfo have gone to a great deal of trouble to make things unnecessarily time-consuming for cricket followers.
A very handy site, although for very basics I prefer howstat.com.au , and I generally try not to go onto cricinfo because it is so slow - probably the heavy ad linkage and maybe well known so popular.

Just went on there to see the CPU usage (varied but hitting 50%) and memory (shot up to 100k, 200k and even 300k rapidly) whereas this forum is at about CPU 1% and 50k memory.

Sporcle can be as bad, worse. On bad days it hits 1000k, stupid on the part of the websites as you can't pimp out your ads if someone's PC is slowed down to unusable website response.........
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Old 8th September 2017, 09:23   #171
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What Cricinfo seem to have forgotten is that most cricket fans actually quite like stats and numbers, it's part of what interests us. Fancy diagrams are largely wasted on us.

As for the farce that is our top order, looks like Hameed may have found some form at a handy time. Westley can surely look for alternative Winter arrangements, Stoneman is struggling. Malan seems to be looking more confident as time progresses and he should tour.
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Initially I think time spent at the crease it more important than runs. 11 from 100 balls for Hameed will do it for me. Cook, Hameed, Malan, Root.
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Initially I think time spent at the crease it more important than runs. 11 from 100 balls for Hameed will do it for me. Cook, Hameed, Malan, Root.
And at 5 ?
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And at 5 ?
You choose, Hales, Livingstone, Ballance (Root's choice) or ?
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There was a lot of rain. Looks ok over by Headingley though (I'm in Rawdon with a view over the valley - can see over to Leeds, Bradford and as far as Framley Moor in the South)
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Malan at three? Really? I assume you want him to fail.
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