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Old 10th September 2017, 08:24   #1
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The Ashes in Australia 2017/18

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Old 10th September 2017, 08:25   #2
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Bayliss does not expect new faces in Ashes squad

"I can't see us going outside of the people that have played in the last 12 to 18 months," said Bayliss.

"There are two or three positions that will probably take more time than the others to decide on, but I'm sure it will come from that group."

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Old 10th September 2017, 08:33   #3
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Old 10th September 2017, 08:36   #4
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So assuming the following will go :

Cook
Root
Stokes
Bairstow
Ali
Woakes
Roland-Jones
Broad
Anderson

Leaves doubts over batsmen mostly. Players not in the above but playing in relevant series:

WIN - Stoneman, Westley, Malan
SAF - Jennings, Ballance, Dawson, Wood
IND - Hameed, Duckett, Buttler, Rashid, Ball, Batty
BAN - Finn
PAK - Hales, Vince
SRL - Compton

So there's the opponents of the last 18 months and working from most recent to oldest the players who that opens up to selection. Only players not in a more recent squad, and not listed as assumed to go, are added

Pretty much means his statement isn't as worrying as it comes across as there are TEN discarded batsmen across those 18 months, although the fact that there are that many shows England haven't solved many batting problems in that time.

Buttler must be a shoe in, we may well see Hales and Hameed return, and probably a quick or two out of Finn, Wood and Ball.

I didn't include Ansari cause he's packed it in. Should we be worried England have selected 27 different players in only 18 months....? Fair dos one was a tour to Bangladesh and then to India, but that is two and a half teams.

I think this has the makings of 0-2 down by Perth
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Old 10th September 2017, 09:49   #5
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Bayliss does not expect new faces in Ashes squad

"I can't see us going outside of the people that have played in the last 12 to 18 months," said Bayliss.

"There are two or three positions that will probably take more time than the others to decide on, but I'm sure it will come from that group."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/41213905
Whilst we must remember that Bayliss is only one of the selectors it does suggest that Buttler will go as the reserve keeper. I think Stoneman and Malan will go but I expect Ballance will replace Malan in the XI. I'd be surprised if Westley was selected but I have no idea who will bat at 3.
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Old 10th September 2017, 11:08   #6
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I expect Hameed will go as reserve opener and then slot in at 3 if/when Ballance, Westley fail.
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So assuming the following will go :

Cook
Root
Stokes
Bairstow
Ali
Woakes
Roland-Jones
Broad
Anderson

Leaves doubts over batsmen mostly. Players not in the above but playing in relevant series:

WIN - Stoneman, Westley, Malan
SAF - Jennings, Ballance, Dawson, Wood
IND - Hameed, Duckett, Buttler, Rashid, Ball, Batty
BAN - Finn
PAK - Hales, Vince
SRL - Compton

So there's the opponents of the last 18 months and working from most recent to oldest the players who that opens up to selection. Only players not in a more recent squad, and not listed as assumed to go, are added

Pretty much means his statement isn't as worrying as it comes across as there are TEN discarded batsmen across those 18 months, although the fact that there are that many shows England haven't solved many batting problems in that time.

Buttler must be a shoe in, we may well see Hales and Hameed return, and probably a quick or two out of Finn, Wood and Ball.

I didn't include Ansari cause he's packed it in. Should we be worried England have selected 27 different players in only 18 months....? Fair dos one was a tour to Bangladesh and then to India, but that is two and a half teams.

I think this has the makings of 0-2 down by Perth
Three options clearly not going to go, which still leaves plenty of options. Can't rule out any of the others entirely.
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Old 10th September 2017, 13:30   #8
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Gary Ballance will make the squad. He shouldn't be in the squad, but he will make the squad - and probably get called up when we're 3-0 down.

Let's have a look at the likely Australian side, too. Ozzies haven't played a Test at home / in non-spinning conditions since Jan. You imagine players like Ashton Agar and O'Keefe who have featured in recent matches will be left out unless the track's a turner, so their side will probably be:

Renshaw (18 innings, 623 at 36.7)
Warner
Smith
Khawaja (42 innings, 1728 at 45.5)
Handscomb (19 innings, 743 at 53)
Maxwell (26 w/bat, 42 w/ball in Tests) / Cartwright (only played two tests) (??)
Wade (avg 28.6 but a string of single-figure scores) (??)
Cummins
Starc
Hazlewood
Lyon


Maxi (Big Show/No Show) and Wade have the biggest question marks around them due to the fact that neither has performed consistently and both have viable replacements vying to get in the team. In Wade's case Handscomb who is in better form with the bat could keep wicket for him.

If you match them person for person, I wouldn't say it looks great.

Renshaw is more established in the side than our non-hero opener.
Warner in Australia you'd *probably* take over Cook in Australia.
Steve Smith vs... Westley? is no contest
You'd take Joe Root over Khawaja or whoever else they put at 4
Handscomb is new but far more established than Malan
Stokes is better than Maxwell / replacement all-rounder
Jonny Bairstow is probably better than Wade although as the Deathwatch List reminds us, 99 is no 100...
Ali vs Cummins - difficult match-up because of Ali's batting but in Oz conditions you'd have to hand it to Cummins.
Starc will be better in Australia than Toblerone or Woakes, no shame in that.
Broad probably edges it over Hazlewood
and Jimmy you'd take over Lyon.

Of course, if you compare the spinners, Lyon is a better spinner than Ali but can't bat.

So, depending on how you feel, around 5 players in the England lineup might be expected to exceed their counterparts in form. Good enough?

This said, I saw a similar lineup done re: Oz in Eng 2015 that argued Oz were better player-for-player and how did that work out
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Well I wonder if the real selection meeting will be as farcical as the Sky run through.
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Old 10th September 2017, 14:10   #10
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Well I wonder if the real selection meeting will be as farcical as the Sky run through.
I kept wondering when/if they were going to mention Hameed. Didn't enter into the run-down of batsmen who might actually play, nor in the discussion about squad players. Just a brief mention by Atherton right at the end of the show that he might feature in the Lions.

Jennings was mentioned, and his century in India, along with the fact that he's had a rough time this year. But given that Hameed was the first new partner for Cook who appeared to be the man England needed, I'm surprised he was given no consideration at all - no thoughts on why he's had such a poor season, how he seems on the way back with an 80 odd in the last game; whether he could be in the squad as reserve opener or on the Lions tour. So much discussion about Hales; and support for Essex man Westley from Essex man Hussain.
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I kept wondering when/if they were going to mention Hameed. Didn't enter into the run-down of batsmen who might actually play, nor in the discussion about squad players. Just a brief mention by Atherton right at the end of the show that he might feature in the Lions.

Jennings was mentioned, and his century in India, along with the fact that he's had a rough time this year. But given that Hameed was the first new partner for Cook who appeared to be the man England needed, I'm surprised he was given no consideration at all - no thoughts on why he's had such a poor season, how he seems on the way back with an 80 odd in the last game; whether he could be in the squad as reserve opener or on the Lions tour. So much discussion about Hales; and support for Essex man Westley from Essex man Hussain.
Botham - anyone from Durham or Somerset - Stoneman, Jennings, Wood, Leach
Warne - anyone from Hants - Crane. Did I hear him say Vince? We would play 2 spinners in all Tests
Hussain - Essex
Atherton - Hales, his favourite and a Lancs mention of Hameed
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I kept wondering when/if they were going to mention Hameed. Didn't enter into the run-down of batsmen who might actually play, nor in the discussion about squad players. Just a brief mention by Atherton right at the end of the show that he might feature in the Lions.

Jennings was mentioned, and his century in India, along with the fact that he's had a rough time this year. But given that Hameed was the first new partner for Cook who appeared to be the man England needed, I'm surprised he was given no consideration at all - no thoughts on why he's had such a poor season, how he seems on the way back with an 80 odd in the last game; whether he could be in the squad as reserve opener or on the Lions tour. So much discussion about Hales; and support for Essex man Westley from Essex man Hussain.
Well it was a silly discussion, poorly chaired. Why the English seem to equate being posh with being a good chair, I have no idea. I sympathised with Warne who looked like he might walk out at one point.

I believe Hameed has a good chance of going if he plays well between now and the end of the season. I guess Crane has also been omitted from the LOI squads to get some overs in for Hampshire and will be similarly judged depending on his returns. Reckon Dawson is the next option, ahead of Rashid. And if we are to believe Bayliss, then Foakes has no chance, but then Bayliss may be overruled. I thought it odd that Buttler was seen as a utility player by the pundits whereas Foakes, who averages 40 in f/c cricket was seen as a specialist gloveman.
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Surely the selectors can't fail to be lured by the Stokes-Foakes-Woakes fantasy-team-come-true option?
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In as much as the real selectors get a lot of hammer, one has to be relieved that the Sky crew don't make the decisions. Wot a shower.
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If they're not picking uncapped players, I think it'll be:

1. Cook
2. Stoneman
3. Westley
4. Root
5. Malan
6. Stokes
7. Bairstow
8. Ali
9. Woakes
10. Broad
11. Anderson
12. Hales
13. Buttler
14. Dawson
15. Wood
16. Roland-Jones
17. Finn

Only other possibles would be Ballance, Hameed or Jennings ahead of Hales or Westley, but I think they'll be loyal to Westley and they'll like the fact that Hales can cover anywhere between 1-6.

They are never going to play two spinners, so I doubt they'll take Crane. Jake Ball is the other bowler they'll consider and I think he'll be in if Wood isn't fit.

I'd like to see the following Lions squad:

1. Hameed
2. Robson
3. Lawrence
4. Livingstone
5. Duckett
6. Foakes
7. Curran S
8. Overton C
9. Curran T
10. Ball
11. Crane
12. Clarke
13. Northeast
14. Bess
15. Porter
16. Helm
17. Archer
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... I expect Ballance will replace Malan in the XI. ...
I don't expect Ballance to be in the squad. He was clearly finished last winter, only made any squad at all this summer because of Root swinging it for his mate, then had to have an injury invented for him in order to get him out of the picture pronto as soon as it was realised that no miracle had occurred and he is still technically unsuited to test cricket.

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If they're not picking uncapped players, I think it'll be:

1. Cook
2. Stoneman
3. Westley
4. Root
5. Malan
6. Stokes
7. Bairstow
8. Ali
9. Woakes
10. Broad
11. Anderson
12. Hales
13. Buttler
14. Dawson
15. Wood
16. Roland-Jones
17. Finn
...
I find it impossible to imagine a situation where Finn would play; if enough seamers were injured you'd send for Ball instead. Even so I don't think they'll need three back-up seamers. I wouldn't be surprised to see Westley miss out, but certainly with the amount of doubt there is regarding the viability of several of the top six at present I think they'll need another reserve batsman alongside Hales, and at this point I'd go for Hameed above Westley or Hales (who bar the odd magnificent innings apart has had a fairly mediocre season in red-ball cricket, I think). As mentioned above, Buttler and Dawson are inferior to Foakes and Rashid, but there we go. It's the England selectors' all-star team, after all.
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Old 10th September 2017, 20:22   #17
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England squad for the Ashes

My team would be:-

Root
Cook
Hameed
Stoneman
Malan
Northeast
Bairstow
Moeen Ali
Crane
Stokes
Anderson
Broad
Woakes
Roland-Jones
Ball
Wood

Is that one too many fast bowlers and a batsman light?

Perhaps it is Ball or Wood. I'm not sure.

I don't expect Northeast to be selected and not convinced he's really good enough. But then I'm not sure Stoneman and Malan are either and after Compton, Duckett, Westley etc , in my book the Kent skipper deserves an opportunity. He can't do any worse than any of the others who have been tried.

But I'd expect Westley, Jennings or Ballance to get yet another chance.

No second keeper. These days it is gratuitous. If anything happened to Bairstow, Foakes could be there within 24 hrs - even less if they fix him up with a grade club for the winter.
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Hardest to guess Ashes squad of all time. Of 11 definite s 2 are probably more likely to fail than last the series. Of the other 5 or 6 tourists I'd be tossing a coin to guess.
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Hardest to guess Ashes squad of all time.
The 1920/21 squad might have been trickier.
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If they're not picking uncapped players, I think it'll be:

1. Cook
2. Stoneman
3. Westley
4. Root
5. Malan
6. Stokes
7. Bairstow
8. Ali
9. Woakes
10. Broad
11. Anderson
12. Hales
13. Buttler
14. Dawson
15. Wood
16. Roland-Jones
17. Finn

Only other possibles would be Ballance, Hameed or Jennings ahead of Hales or Westley, but I think they'll be loyal to Westley and they'll like the fact that Hales can cover anywhere between 1-6.

They are never going to play two spinners, so I doubt they'll take Crane. Jake Ball is the other bowler they'll consider and I think he'll be in if Wood isn't fit.

I'd like to see the following Lions squad:

1. Hameed
2. Robson
3. Lawrence
4. Livingstone
5. Duckett
6. Foakes
7. Curran S
8. Overton C
9. Curran T
10. Ball
11. Crane
12. Clarke
13. Northeast
14. Bess
15. Porter
16. Helm
17. Archer
I suspect you'll be not far off on both squads. However, I think Ballance and Ball will make the main party ahead of Westley and Finn. I'd pick Foakes ahead of Buttler too but it doesn't look like that's going to happen.
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