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Old 26th November 2017, 18:44   #181
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Think it must be, plus an incredible eye. I guess the only thing we've been unable to try is left arm spin or seam going away from his bat. He looks too good for everything else.
India tried left arm spin against him. No use. He's just a monster, really.

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Biggest concern is without doubt Cooky. He's had poor runs before and recovered. But there's so much pressure on him to score runs consistently and age is starting to work against him. Two absolute failures is not a good start. Hope to be proved wrong but I think his goose may be in the oven.
Not sure its age, he's only 32 (though admittedly a long time on the road). He just tends to be very poor against Australia. One magical series apart.
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Old 26th November 2017, 20:29   #182
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If all are fit for Adelaide, Iíd just swap Overton for Ball. Itíll be the most English like conditions and Overton has been consistently good in seaming conditions for 2 years. He also did well in the warm-ups. If it werenít a day/night game, Iíd seriously consider replacing Ball with Garton or even flying Plunkett over.

The problem is, Moeen could quite possibly be injured. Bowling with a spirit in your spinning finger is almost impossible. God knows what they do if heís not fit. Suppose Ballance would have to come in at 6, and theyíd have to play 3 seamers + Crane. Might just about be okay in a day/night game.
Moeen isnít injured -no way he would play if injured.


We need Stokes back -pretty obvious heís not going to be charged.
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Old 26th November 2017, 21:30   #183
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Moeen isnít injured -no way he would play if injured.


We need Stokes back -pretty obvious heís not going to be charged.
Can you explain why tuffers said several times he wasn't getting through his action and the i assume in your eyes a cut on spinning finger is not an injury?

The reason he is playing is three fold.

1. He is one of our best 6 batsmen
2. He is our best spin bowler in the squad.
3. The selectors bought into some fanatical fans saying we need a leggie but have since realised he can't play in a four man attack because he will get smashed.

Hopefully leach does well this week and gets a call.
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Old 26th November 2017, 22:40   #184
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Old 26th November 2017, 23:41   #185
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Moeen isnít injured -no way he would play if injured.


We need Stokes back -pretty obvious heís not going to be charged.
The split in the finger happened during the test match. If thatís not recovered, theyíd have to decide whether heís worth his place in the team as a number 6 bat, who can bowl a few overs of highly average spin or pick Ballance.
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Old 27th November 2017, 01:05   #186
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The split in the finger happened during the test match. If thatís not recovered, theyíd have to decide whether heís worth his place in the team as a number 6 bat, who can bowl a few overs of highly average spin or pick Ballance.
If the alternative is Ballance, I'd still be favour of picking Ali even if he became comatose between Tests.
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Old 27th November 2017, 02:41   #187
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Where are all the Aussie fans today?
Surprised to see the I could reach the forum. For a while there has been a " error 403" you don't have permission to access this site message. Usually indicates IP banning.
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Old 27th November 2017, 02:45   #188
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One down. Still not a great deal between these teams IMO. Smith got us out of what could've been a predicament, once again. Starting to remind me of those AB teams, where we had the captain, some half decent bowlers and not much else.

Special mention to Cummins and credit where it is due, Lyon has been bowling well for a while now. That makes a huge difference. He might be the best all conditions offie running around at the moment.
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Lyon's going to be right up there - at least statistically - with the best ROBs of all time when he retires, really.

Not a fashionable type of player. A lot of Aussies I know like to put the boot into Lyon for the team's failings when things aren't going well.
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Old 27th November 2017, 03:22   #190
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Think it must be, plus an incredible eye. I guess the only thing we've been unable to try is left arm spin or seam going away from his bat. He looks too good for everything else.
If you watch him bat, you'll see he all but eliminates that 'corridor of uncertainty' by walking so far across his stumps; forcing the quicks to bowl into his pads which is free runs, or well wide of off stump which offers no threat and he can leave alone. A good stock ball that has a regular batsman playing and missing is hitting Smith in the hip, exactly where he wants it. Against the spinners he picks up the length instantly and uses his feet to go forward or back almost every delivery. The key to all of this is his supreme hand-eye coordination. Once he gets to 30 he might be a big chance of being an lbw candidate early in his innings, but that is a few years away.
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Old 27th November 2017, 03:34   #191
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Lyon's going to be right up there - at least statistically - with the best ROBs of all time when he retires, really.

Not a fashionable type of player. A lot of Aussies I know like to put the boot into Lyon for the team's failings when things aren't going well.
I have been guilty of this often. His lack of ability to develop his game and just bowl the same delivery a 1000 times was frustrating. Something seems to have clicked for him in India though, he started bowling quicker with more side-spin in the subcontinent, and developed a really good arm-ball. he's a much more complete bowler than he was 12 months ago, and kudos to him.
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Anyway, this must rank as the most contested 10 wicket thrashing i've ever seen. strange game cricket.
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Anyway, this must rank as the most contested 10 wicket thrashing i've ever seen. strange game cricket.
To lose by ten wickets when the oppo were 100 behind and only 3 wickets left on first innings is pretty impressive.

The puzzling ball selection...

On a pitch where The second most expensive bowler on either side in the first innings went for 2.8, He managed 1 for 115 off 26 overs (4.4 economy) in The match.

Mind blowing selection and sadly predictable. His career economy is much worse than overton so sadly unexpected. What was behind it?
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Moeen isnít injured -no way he would play if injured.


We need Stokes back -pretty obvious heís not going to be charged.
Was it 11 overs from mo in the last 3 days of the match? Deffo not injured.
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Old 27th November 2017, 05:23   #195
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Nathan Lyon's comments pre first match...lol.

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Old 27th November 2017, 05:40   #196
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Something interesting for stats lovers. In matches where Smith gets a start (ie. 20 or more) he has an average of 98. Seems to indicate that when he does get a start, he often goes on with it. As his overall 50/50 split between 100s/50s seems to indicate.

To compare the (probably) next best batsman at the moment, Root averages 84 (once he reaches 20) with an overall 39/61 percentage split between 100s/50s. Which is still very good, obviously.
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Not a fashionable type of player. A lot of Aussies I know like to put the boot into Lyon for the team's failings when things aren't going well.
Yeah, it wasn't too long ago I thought he should've been sent back to shield cricket lol. Then again, I wondered what all the fuss was about re Warne initially, thought he was overrated. Very happy that Lyon is showing all of us naysayers that we were wrong.
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Was it 11 overs from mo in the last 3 days of the match? Deffo not injured.
So we are clear he wasnít injured going into the match.


Team selection for the second test got tricker now.

If Mo is only in for batting then who missed out ? Malan and Vince at least got to 50.

Play an all medium pace attack plus Root ?
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So we are clear he wasnít injured going into the match.


Team selection for the second test got tricker now.

If Mo is only in for batting then who missed out ? Malan and Vince at least got to 50.

Play an all medium pace attack plus Root ?


Malan's leg breaks (52 1st class wickets @ 40 - that's a lower average than Mason Crane!) may come into the equation!
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Malan's leg breaks (52 1st class wickets @ 40 - that's a lower average than Mason Crane!) may come into the equation!
When you lose by 10 wickets with nearly a day to spare your problem is taking wickets not average or economy.
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