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Old 25th November 2017, 07:42   #81
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Can we make tea tomorrow? That was so bad from cook but a good one for vince.

God we miss stokes so much.
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Old 25th November 2017, 07:44   #82
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Dear oh dear. For the first time in the match the Aussies have got their noses in front.
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Old 25th November 2017, 07:52   #83
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Now Joe Root has been clattered flush on the helmet. Having battled so hard for 3 days England could lose the game in the next 40 minutes.
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Old 25th November 2017, 08:17   #84
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Moeen isn't fit is he? He wasn't going through is action properly. Sadly, with the absence of stokes, the only way England could line up without moeen would be to play four bowlers and we didn't pick a squad that allowed four bowlers because crane can't keep an end quiet.
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Old 25th November 2017, 08:20   #85
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It most certainly is justified.
I said fully justified, and it isn't as robust as some like to believe.

And of course the line up will vary from time to time, the reputation is not oft adjusted accordingly though.......
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Old 25th November 2017, 08:22   #86
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Really impressive bowling from Cummins.
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Old 25th November 2017, 08:26   #87
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Woakes finally gets a wicket to remove a tailender in Cummins but not before England's lead has been all but wiped out.

They need to get Broad back on.

21 overs, 10 maidens, 3/41, that's great bowling in anyone's language.

Jimmy Anderson not much worse with 29 overs, 10 maidens, 2/51.

You Poms should be proud of these old warhorses.

Root's captaincy has been superb too, he's done his homework with fielding placements with help from a Kiwi in Shane Bond.
I wondered why Broad and Anderson weren't on after lunch, thought there was an issue with Anderson but doesn't explain why they picked who they did to bowl.

And also questioned if Root was needed to bowl, although he did finish the innings off.

Like to know how the man in the England camp who championed Ball feels now, I think Boycs summed it up as being 5/99 from the frontline pair and not very good from the rest - little harsh on Ali granted, but how many would the aussies got but for Broad and Anderson....?



I think TMS attempted to compare without doing it absolutely directly how the England lower order didn't fare well compared to the aussies and their approach. A little harsh as the England batsman left with the tail was only just in when left with the tail whilst Smith had already got a few runs to his name ie was in.

Maybe the difference is England might have the better batting side but which side put a higher price on their wickets.........?
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Cook's dismissal was ridiculous considering the damage the hook shot did for England on the last tour down under. You'd think he'd have learnt.
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Moeen isn't fit is he? He wasn't going through is action properly. Sadly, with the absence of stokes, the only way England could line up without moeen would be to play four bowlers and we didn't pick a squad that allowed four bowlers because crane can't keep an end quiet.
The spinner selection was a bit ropey, but since England play Ali pretty much all the time no other spinner gets much of a chance and England's choices for the accompanying spinner have been either weak or based on batting as much as bowling.

So badly need a new Swann to come through, even then they'll probably consider him just an ugly duckling until he's old enough to have a family of 15.
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Does anyone know why ball was preferred? What does he bring that they wanted? Ball is quite a bit more expensive in county cricket and I am not sure what they picked him for.
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Cook's dismissal was ridiculous considering the damage the hook shot did for England on the last tour down under. You'd think he'd have learnt.
You'd have hoped:

- he'd have learned from experience
- he'd have learned from watching Smith
- he'd have come out and played for his stumps
- he'd have come out with the main intention of being there in the morning

And probably more. The hope didn't last long and may see England's go with it. Need 2-3 batsmen to dig in and post 40+ with at least one getting near to if not a hundred, a lot may rest on Root.

Be interesting to see if Ali bats about Bairstow or vice versa, I suspect they'll stick with plan A even though I doubt where Ali bats will make a difference to him and how he bats or the runs he makes, but could make a lot more difference to Bairstow.
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Does anyone know why ball was preferred? What does he bring that they wanted? Ball is quite a bit more expensive in county cricket and I am not sure what they picked him for.
To be fair with no Wood, Stokes or Finn, the barrel was being scraped as far as fast bowlers are concerned!
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Looks evens still. Need Root to perform now.
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You'd have hoped:

- he'd have learned from experience
- he'd have learned from watching Smith
- he'd have come out and played for his stumps
- he'd have come out with the main intention of being there in the morning

And probably more. The hope didn't last long and may see England's go with it. Need 2-3 batsmen to dig in and post 40+ with at least one getting near to if not a hundred, a lot may rest on Root.

Be interesting to see if Ali bats about Bairstow or vice versa, I suspect they'll stick with plan A even though I doubt where Ali bats will make a difference to him and how he bats or the runs he makes, but could make a lot more difference to Bairstow.
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Stoneman is still there.

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Moeen isn't fit is he? He wasn't going through is action properly. Sadly, with the absence of stokes, the only way England could line up without moeen would be to play four bowlers and we didn't pick a squad that allowed four bowlers because crane can't keep an end quiet.
Pretty feeble excuses trotting out now.

The spin of the first day isnít there any more and Mo got his usual return on non snakepit wickets.

England need better bowlers beyond Broad and Jimmy - Woakes, Ball and Mo are a level beneath the Ozzie attack.
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Cook's dismissal was ridiculous considering the damage the hook shot did for England on the last tour down under. You'd think he'd have learnt.
The hook and the sweep should be banned by the English management until you have scored 100 in that innings.
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You need to find a way of getting out Steve Smith though, he's carrying the Aussies.

Get him out and you'll win the Ashes.
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Finally got on, hope alls well lads!

Looking like two evenly matched teams here, both line ups can be brittle on their day.

Paine needs to go, terrible selection, no presence behind the stumps, Marsh needs to go, and id be booting Khawaja just because i dont like the bloke, id rather have guys in the team proud of the crest on their helmet.

Cook is freaking useless, dead set how is he still playing?
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Does anyone know why ball was preferred? What does he bring that they wanted? Ball is quite a bit more expensive in county cricket and I am not sure what they picked him for.
Best of a limited bunch, presumably. Can't think of another pace bowler in the squad with a stronger claim.

Captain's innings needed from Root now.
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