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Old 25th November 2017, 10:41   #1
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NZ vs. West Indies Series Thread

NZ A currently playing the tourists in a warm up game down in Lincoln. Pretty decent NZ line up in this game, but players kept getting pulled due to injury (Guptill, Milne, Kugglejuggle). Not the quickest decks down there, I understand and the West Indies have made hay. Shai Hope and Sunil Ambris the main beneficiaries.

Lachie Ferguson doing his chances of a call up no harm with 5-67. At the moment, I'd take pretty much any bowler over Tim Southee.
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Old 26th November 2017, 01:19   #2
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NZ A currently playing the tourists in a warm up game down in Lincoln. Pretty decent NZ line up in this game, but players kept getting pulled due to injury (Guptill, Milne, Kugglejuggle). Not the quickest decks down there, I understand and the West Indies have made hay. Shai Hope and Sunil Ambris the main beneficiaries.

Lachie Ferguson doing his chances of a call up no harm with 5-67. At the moment, I'd take pretty much any bowler over Tim Southee.
Who's Kugglejuggle?

And what's happened to Southee - injury?
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Scott Kuggeleijn. He's a medium-fast bowler who can bat a bit. Son of former NZ player Chris Kuggeleijn. I've probably spelt that name wrong, hence I call him Kugglejuggle or any other deliberately wrong spelling.

As for Southee, he's not been the same player for a couple of years. And he shows no respect when batting at all. Really annoys me. His recent stats in Tests must be appalling, but he's seemingly undroppable.
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Old 27th November 2017, 03:06   #4
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Is Tom Latham not a Test quality keeper?
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Old 27th November 2017, 08:31   #5
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Latham has struggled with his batting when he's kept wicket in ODIs, and there's a feeling that the same struggles would result if he kept in Tests. Also, whilst there's a reasonable depth in middle order batsmen available, very few reasonable options to open - so if Latham kept (and moved down the order) the feeling is it'd significantly weaken the team.

Tom Blundell is apparently next in line, but Tim Seifert (Northerns) and Glenn Phillips (Auckland) are thought to be generally more talented. Ignoring that debate, Blundell is the older of the 3 and is certainly not clearly better than Seifert or Phillips.
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Is Tom Latham not a Test quality keeper?
He didn't seem keen to keep during his spell at Kent in 2016. He's a pretty good outfielder, though.
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Scott Kuggeleijn. He's a medium-fast bowler who can bat a bit. Son of former NZ player Chris Kuggeleijn. I've probably spelt that name wrong, hence I call him Kugglejuggle or any other deliberately wrong spelling.

As for Southee, he's not been the same player for a couple of years. And he shows no respect when batting at all. Really annoys me. His recent stats in Tests must be appalling, but he's seemingly undroppable.
His batting has always been like that hasn't it?
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His batting has always been like that hasn't it?
Yes. Braindead with the bat, really.

But now he's not performing with the ball alongside that.

To think the commentators used to think Southee would grow to bat at 8. Pfft.
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classic Windies.
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Sounds like a really flat deck and Brathwaite and Powell were finding things pretty benign (though not easy to score against reasonably disciplined bowling). Then on comes Wagner to shake things up with a bit of bodyline style bowling and the Windies collapse in a heap.

Ambris getting out hit wicket first ball of his Test career (off the back of an outstanding ton against NZ A last week) is a pretty ignominious record to set.
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Very pleased for Waggers. I wasn't convinced during his early games for Essex last season but he won me over with his big heart and work rate. I see he's taken 70 wickets in his last 15 Tests for an average of 22....could end up amongst the ICC Top 5 ranked bowlers by the end of the year.
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He may be the best change bowler in the world.

Pretty poor from WI to collapse like that. I really Hope-d they'd turned a corner.
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Already at the ground, sitting in the shade of a Pohutukawa, ready for play to get underway in half an hour. Hoping to see a big score from Ross Taylor.
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Drat! Wanted to see a Taylor ton. Hard work out there, but NZ in charge.
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Lol. Had to go home. Saw CdeG get 50, but missed the fireworks really.
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Neil Wagner our best bowler was born in South Africa

Colin de Grandhomme our best batsman was born in Zimbabwe.

FFS the Black Caps are turning into England.

Meanwhile England's best cricketer Ben Stokes was born in New Zealand.

Oh the irony.
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Have you seen how many South Africans have moved over to NZ ostensibly to play club cricket, but could have serious ambitions for higher honours?

Last year, my club had Obus Pienaar. This year, Travis Muller. VUW Old Boys have Devon Conway... And that's just off the top of my head in Wellington. Plenty more up in Auckland. Most of Auckland's team will be ex-Saffers and ex-Indians before too long (if they're not already).

I guess they've seen the success (and cult heroism) that Grant Elliott achieved, plus guys like Wagner, de Grandhomme and Munro make the cut and think 'why not me'. Those three guys I mentioned have all played franchise cricket in South Africa. That means they're transferring to NZ at a higher standard already than the previous crop.
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There seems to be more and more South Africans creeping into NZ cricket but the best NZ cricketers like Williamson, Taylor, Boult, Santner and Southee are still home grown Kiwis.

As an NZ supporter I don't mind the odd Saffer like Wagner or Elliott helping us out but there still needs to be at least 90% home grown Kiwis in the team.
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Even these imports now have to play here for 5 years before they're eligible (I think). Wagner certainly did the hard yards in domestic cricket, whilst Johann Myburgh left just as he was about to become eligible.
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