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Old 1st December 2017, 12:49   #21
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I guess England are banking on winning the toss (50% chance) and going big first innings (20% chance so 10% with the toss) and then using moeen in the second innings.

Does this 12 mean that
A) moeen is fit and could bowl first innings
B) they don't think crane can play as a sole spinner?

Let's hope we win the toss or that it is A. If we lose the toss and we see root and malan bowling then we know it is b.
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I think they certainly think B)
In which case he shouldn't be there, they should have taken Rashid (a far better batsman to boot) or someone else with more experience.
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Old 1st December 2017, 12:49   #22
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In which case he shouldn't be there, they should have taken Rashid (a far better batsman to boot) or someone else with more experience.
I agree.
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Old 1st December 2017, 12:55   #23
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Craig and ball had a bowl off at root. I wonder who won. Time will tell.

Agree re crane. Quite a few of us agreed pre tour that they would not be prepared to play crane as sole spinner so should have included someone else in the squad to play if moeen broke on the morning of the match and we needed to move to three seamers and one spin bowler.
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Old 1st December 2017, 13:12   #24
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Again shows what an incompetent selection panel we have when we have fitness concerns over our 'spinner' and we don't even give our other spinner who is in the country a place in the XII. It winds me up. I hope Overton gets a game over either Ball or Woakes, we need someone who offers something different to right arm medium-fast in the team.
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Old 1st December 2017, 13:16   #25
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I hope Overton gets a game over either Ball or Woakes, we need someone who offers something different to right arm medium-fast in the team.
What does Overton bowl then? Right arm medium less fast?
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Old 1st December 2017, 13:20   #26
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What does Overton bowl then? Right arm medium less fast?
Bounce from a good length. He will get more than the other bowlers. He gets people doing back further than they should and then goes for bowled and lbw.

It bugs me that people say he is slow. Look at big Vern. Hardly express is he?
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Old 1st December 2017, 13:21   #27
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Craig and ball had a bowl off at root. I wonder who won. Time will tell.

Agree re crane. Quite a few of us agreed pre tour that they would not be prepared to play crane as sole spinner so should have included someone else in the squad to play if moeen broke on the morning of the match and we needed to move to three seamers and one spin bowler.
Who?

The Lions' best spinner is Amar Virdi but he's even more raw than Crane.
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Old 1st December 2017, 13:24   #28
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It feels like the late Autumn days of Anderson and Broad..maybe they can rise to the occasion once more..but if not, with this mish mash side, it looks bleak at this moment. Oz are not much stronger but they have momentum now and home conditions.
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Old 1st December 2017, 13:25   #29
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The Lions' best spinner is Amar Virdi but he's even more raw than Crane.
Lol. Zzzzzzzz
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In which case he shouldn't be there, they should have taken Rashid (a far better batsman to boot) or someone else with more experience.
I was astonished that they took Crane over Rashid too until I heard that he is "uncomfortable bowling with a red ball". If that is the case, I can understand the selection.
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Old 1st December 2017, 14:48   #31
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Bounce from a good length. He will get more than the other bowlers. He gets people doing back further than they should and then goes for bowled and lbw.

It bugs me that people say he is slow. Look at big Vern. Hardly express is he?
Vern pitches it up though, or at least seams/swings off a good length, and is relentlessly accurate. He has a decent bouncer but he's not someone who relies on getting lift. I don't know enough of Coverton, but sounds like you are describing two different styles of bowler, so a bit apple and oranges. However, Tremlett terrorises the Aussies in 2010 bowling mid-80s and getting plenty of lift. Although he was then a busted flush attempting the same in 2013 but in the high 70s.

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Yes, but they have a squad of 16. There is no need to name a squad of 12 for the match.
I suppose what it amounts to is an announcement that neither Crane nor Ballance will play.
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Who is umpiring for this one? Not normally one to criticize but I thought Erasmus and Dar were poor last test (for both teams, I add). And isn't it time that all decisions, in the first instance were given by the umpire, stumpings and run-outs included? Using DRS on the Moeen stumping would have resulted in a "not out" decision i.e. too close for the umpire to call. It would have been umpire's call and Mo would have survived but Aus wouldn't have lost a review.
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Old 1st December 2017, 15:19   #34
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Will the ball really "swing round corners"?
I could be wrong but didn't Pakistan nearly chase down 490 in the previous day nighter here? It is my understanding that the grass was left long for the first one, but the last one lower and will be again?
You are thinking of Pakistan vs Aus at the Gabba.http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/1...f-aus-2016-17/
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I suppose what it amounts to is an announcement that neither Crane nor Ballance will play.
The players like to know whether they are in the running. Depending on surface. I would expect Crane in the 12 if Mo wasn't fit to bowl. For Ballance, Crane, Foakes etc. it means that they are not going to play barring some late injury. They have obviously reviewed the Bairstow incident and decided it was a storm in a teacup. It's Ball or Overton and the players all know that.
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We can’t play Crane as his batting isn’t good enough and it will make the tail too long.

Is he better that Broad and Jimmy ?

Yeah but seniority and stuff.....
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Do they think they can turn him into one in such a short space of time?
No but he must be picked and he canít keep wicket.
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So the attack will be Jimmy, Broad, Woakes, Ball and Root.

God help us.
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So the attack will be Jimmy, Broad, Woakes, Ball and Root.

God help us.

Don't forget Malan! (Better first class bowling figures than Mason Crane !)
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