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Old 1st December 2017, 16:11   #41
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For the good of English Cricket, we need to end Cooks career for you guys, the blokes the biggest drip in history.
Hmm...make him available for Essex for all of next season? Bring it on.
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Old 1st December 2017, 16:22   #42
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Don't forget Malan! (Better first class bowling figures than Mason Crane !)
Better first class wickets per game ratio does he ?
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Old 1st December 2017, 16:28   #43
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Better first class wickets per game ratio does he ?
Almost certainly not, as he's in the team for his batting, not his bowling. But a lower average.


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And a better strike rate!
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Old 1st December 2017, 17:40   #44
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For the good of English Cricket, we need to end Cooks career for you guys, the blokes the biggest drip in history.
"Drip" I'll give you, (but not as big a one as Smith!). Didn't like him as a captain, any more than I like Root, but you can't argue with runs. Tell me again how many Ozzies got more? Both Cook and Root to get more runs than Smith and Warner combined in Adelaide. Was offered 20/1 on that. Snapped the guys hand off.
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Old 1st December 2017, 18:27   #45
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Cook seems a spent force at the moment. Though if he retires from tests he'll probably go back to his farm rather than play out his career with Essex.
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Maybe. We haven't got anybody better right now though.
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Old 1st December 2017, 18:42   #47
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But who can replace Cook?
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Almost certainly not, as he's in the team for his batting, not his bowling. But a lower average.


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And a better strike rate!
You'd expect that, though, wouldn't you? I mean, Malan as a part-time spinner is generally only going to bowl when the pitch is turning like mad and any old spinner would do better than the specialist seamers. A specialist spinner like Crane on the other hand is going to bowl day in day out, often when the pitch has nothing to offer him. Looking at the number of overs bowled per match played would give a much more accurate impression of their relative merits as bowlers.
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Cook seems a spent force at the moment. Though if he retires from tests he'll probably go back to his farm rather than play out his career with Essex.
Possibly, now that he ticked off the really big one last season. He does really love playing for Essex, though, so I'd like to think he'd give the faithful a swansong summer.
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The rest of the top 7 got individual scores between 42 and 83 between them over the course of 2 innings at the Gabba. Av. 35. Not too shabby. Cook got 2 and 7. As bgtb says though, who would replace him?
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You'd expect that, though, wouldn't you? I mean, Malan as a part-time spinner is generally only going to bowl when the pitch is turning like mad and any old spinner would do better than the specialist seamers. A specialist spinner like Crane on the other hand is going to bowl day in day out, often when the pitch has nothing to offer him. Looking at the number of overs bowled per match played would give a much more accurate impression of their relative merits as bowlers.
Really? I'd say it's equally likely that a part time spinner like Malan often bowls when the regular bowlers can't get well set batsmen out...

However one looks at it, the fact that a part time spinner like Malan who is hardly likely to bowl more than a handful of overs in the series has comparable figures to the bowler selected as our second best slow bowler is, to the say the least, worrying....
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Really? I'd say it's equally likely that a part time spinner like Malan often bowls when the regular bowlers can't get well set batsmen out...

However one looks at it, the fact that a part time spinner like Malan who is hardly likely to bowl more than a handful of overs in the series has comparable figures to the bowler selected as our second best slow bowler is, to the say the least, worrying....
OK, well maybe Crane is worse than Malan. Whatever the figures are, there's always a way to get to where you first started, and if you want to give Crane a good kicking, I'm sure there are many on here who would be happy to hold him still for you.
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OK, well maybe Crane is worse than Malan. Whatever the figures are, there's always a way to get to where you first started, and if you want to give Crane a good kicking, I'm sure there are many on here who would be happy to hold him still for you.
Why should I want to give him a good kicking? I feel sorry for the guy, who seems to have been selected a year or two too early...
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You'd expect that, though, wouldn't you? I mean, Malan as a part-time spinner is generally only going to bowl when the pitch is turning like mad and any old spinner would do better than the specialist seamers. A specialist spinner like Crane on the other hand is going to bowl day in day out, often when the pitch has nothing to offer him. Looking at the number of overs bowled per match played would give a much more accurate impression of their relative merits as bowlers.
Of course - average isnít a particularly useful statistic if the wickets per match is low.
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Why should I want to give him a good kicking? I feel sorry for the guy, who seems to have been selected a year or two too early...
Heís also in competition for a place with a player who is undroppable. Rashid found this out sharpish.
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It feels like the late Autumn days of Anderson and Broad.maybe they can rise to the occasion once more..but if not, with this mish mash side, it looks bleak at this moment. Oz are not much stronger but they have momentum now and home conditions.
Donít know about Broad, but thereís been only one test match since Anderson had what was surely the best season of his career. 8 matches, 41 wkts @ 15.29, 3 x 5fers, econ 2.26. Yes, it was on home soil but last summer he was a man on top of his game, not one in the autumn of his career. At Brisbane there was the confusion over whether he was injured or Root chose to keep him out of the attack. We need to see what he and Broad can do with the pink ball.
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England have two chances -a Broad/Jimmy blitz or 500 first innings total.
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Craig and ball had a bowl off at root. I wonder who won. Time will tell.

Agree re crane. Quite a few of us agreed pre tour that they would not be prepared to play crane as sole spinner so should have included someone else in the squad to play if moeen broke on the morning of the match and we needed to move to three seamers and one spin bowler.
If Root isn’t announcing the team until the toss, and Overton is selected, when will he be presented with his cap? This usually happens earlier, doesn’t it, with a former player doing the presentation.
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Has to be a "don't lose" attitude situation for Eng. One down with 3 to play is defendable. 2 down and the series is gone. Not saying England should play for a draw, nothing like that, but the chances of them winning 2 out of the last 3 are minimal. This is probably Jimmy and Stueys last Ashes series and a great opportunity for them.
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MPV’s view is that this is a MUST WIN game for England and he doesn’t bear to think of where that leaves us if we don’t.
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