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Old 28th August 2018, 16:11   #201
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My two cents on Trott and KP as an outsider.

Trott always struck me as someone who, if the going for England got tough, he would down tools and go 'this match is done, how can I get the most runs'.

KP, on the other hand, came across as someone who just wanted to win a game of cricket.


Ironically, it was Pietersen who had the reputation of being the selfish one (I imagine KP was difficult to work with in the sense of having a very clear belief in how to win and you'd have to take time to explain to him and win him over on alternative course of actions but he was someone who'd give his all for the cause and even his detractors concede nobody worked harder).

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So comfortably the best side averages as near as dammit 300. Doesnít this show that 300 is absolutely not par yet? We are the best and only just do so and when we get it we win (despite bowling not being great).

How often do other sides win when make 300?

I would suggest still far more won that lost.
I thought you did statistics for a living? Have you moved to Brexit Central?
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Old 29th August 2018, 17:07   #202
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I also thought SV followed golf...
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Old 29th August 2018, 17:28   #203
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I also thought SV followed golf...
OK, this may have been my fault but can we keep any accusations of Sir Virgs being a gammon to the politics/news threads please.
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Old 3rd January 2019, 15:53   #204
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Not so much World Cup and Beyond now as just World Cup Ahead.

So far this year the lowest score successfully defended is 371/7 and the lowest score by a chasing team 326ao off 49 overs.
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Old 3rd January 2019, 15:57   #205
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Not so much World Cup and Beyond now as just World Cup Ahead.

So far this year the lowest score successfully defended is 371/7 and the lowest score by a chasing team 326ao off 49 overs.
Letís try and keep some sort of average. Sounds good.
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I love golf. I turn 40 this year and plan to be working 4 days a week by the end of it. The extra day off will involve golf and exercising.
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Old 3rd January 2019, 16:06   #207
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I love golf. I turn 40 this year and plan to be working 4 days a week by the end of it. The extra day off will involve golf and exercising.
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OK, this may have been my fault but can we keep any accusations of Sir Virgs being a gammon to the politics/news threads please.
Please keep golf chat to the politics thread.

If you want to discuss why you are using your spare time on a hobby like golf instead of playing/watching cricket then the appropriate thread is this.
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Old 3rd January 2019, 16:35   #208
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Please keep golf chat to the politics thread.

If you want to discuss why you are using your spare time on a hobby like golf instead of playing/watching cricket then the appropriate thread is this.
What's wrong with golf? I play every weekend - took it up when the knees said no to keeping wicket anymore.
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West Indies fail to defend 360
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Old 20th February 2019, 23:44   #210
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Just goes to show par score is very much a function of the conditions.

The damage that a modern settled batsman with modern bats can (and is expected to) do in benign conditions is quite different to that of even twenty years ago. If three batsmen get established (as in England's case) then 360 is easily chased down. But with a couple of early wickets it becomes a different story.

So what is "par" based on - the assumption that the opposition top order will get established and cash in, or that they won't?
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It’s based on an average effort, of one average side against another, that will be defended on average half the time, I understand. Gets complicated as clearly England’s batting is a lot better than average. Even so, Betfair had them at 3.7 to chase this before a ball was bowled to them so the market thought 360 was well, well above par, bearing in mind that the market knows that the England batting is mint.
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Old 21st February 2019, 00:04   #212
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Itís based on an average effort, of one average side against another, that will be defended on average half the time, I understand. Gets complicated as clearly Englandís batting is a lot better than average. Even so, Betfair had them at 3.7 to chase this before a ball was bowled to them so the market thought 360 was well, well above par, bearing in mind that the market knows that the England batting is mint.
Given the wide variance in a individual's scores, averages aren't particularly useful in the context of a single match.

What is more interesting is that Roy has a hundred in about 10% of the ODIs he has played in, and fifties (or there abouts) in another 20%. The Betfair odds were remarkably similar to the odds of Roy getting settled...
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Old 21st February 2019, 06:11   #213
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Sixth time in the last 8 years that England have successfully chased 330+. Pretty impressive. It is easy for us to forget how rare a successful chase like this actually is. Well played England.
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Par score is the expected total the side batting first will make in a match.
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Old 21st February 2019, 09:15   #215
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Just goes to show par score is very much a function of the conditions.

The damage that a modern settled batsman with modern bats can (and is expected to) do in benign conditions is quite different to that of even twenty years ago. If three batsmen get established (as in England's case) then 360 is easily chased down. But with a couple of early wickets it becomes a different story.

So what is "par" based on - the assumption that the opposition top order will get established and cash in, or that they won't?
Conditions do play a part and there will be occasions teams get bowled out in helpful conditions but Iím more interested in the par score for a good pitch (most ODIs are played on good pitches): on a good pitch what score will a competitive team be able to defend 50% of the time.
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Old 21st February 2019, 09:26   #216
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Conditions do play a part and there will be occasions teams get bowled out in helpful conditions but Iím more interested in the par score for a good pitch (most ODIs are played on good pitches): on a good pitch what score will a competitive team be able to defend 50% of the time.
I imagine that making the pitch into a binary factor (good pitch / not good pitch) is a bit too basic.
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Given the wide variance in a individual's scores, averages aren't particularly useful in the context of a single match.

What is more interesting is that Roy has a hundred in about 10% of the ODIs he has played in, and fifties (or there abouts) in another 20%. The Betfair odds were remarkably similar to the odds of Roy getting settled...
I didnít mean average in that sense.

Intesting point abou Roy.
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Minnows Australia chase down 359 with two and a bit overs to spare against Jock's boys.

It was the third time this calendar year a team had lost having scored over 350.

That's the same number of times a team has successfully defended a total of 250 or less. Although that may say more about the opposition (Ireland, UAE and Australia) than the par score.

However the biggest correlation between winning/losing is wickets lost in the chase. Only one successful chase has been with fewer than 4 wickets remaining (UAE's chase of 116 v Nepal).

Only one unsuccessful chase has been with more than one wicket remaining (Sri Lanka's defeat yesterday by D/L when they were 5 wickets down after 24 overs. Have wickets (and therefore bowlers) ever been more important?
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Lowest score defended today was 380.

Two chasing teams scored 340+
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Scores today 373 and 361 and then in Ireland the West Indies chases down 330 with a couple of overs to spare.
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