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West Indies are going to struggle to produce great batsmen, but T20 is not the main cause of this. |
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Pujara is most definitely a Test style batsman too.
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#145 | |
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Humouring you and your mythical Tavaresque test batsman, there are others around currently, some quite young - Murali Vijay Kane Williamson Tom Latham Kraigg Brathwaite Dean Elgar Asad Shafiq Lots of teams in transition currently, so we don't know how some sides will develop or bounce back.
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#147 |
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I think not only batting, but the standard of cricket in every aspect has declined in recent times. This seems commensurate with the rise in popularity of t20, but who knows.
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People have been complaining about the decline in the standard of cricket since the 1890s, if not before. In fact, before the terrible decline in modern attention spans and written English, DL was probably writing in to the Times to say as much.
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To add a little clarity, perhaps the intention of the above post was to raise the possibility that I had complained to the papers myself. |
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Well done on garbling it further!
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#152 |
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The Times is southern muck now and was southern muck back in the 1890s, so I can't imagine D/L ever wasting his time by sending correspondence to it.
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Some good things have come out of the South. The M1 and the M6 spring to mind. |
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#154 |
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Correct.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignoratio_elenchi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_fallacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent
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#156 |
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You've taken the post in isolation and ignored that it refers to T20 being blamed for the decline
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Context https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_hoc_ergo_propter_hoc |
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Twenty 20 cricket, or limited over cricket more generally, may have caused some decline in the defensive technique and the durability of test batsmen (although I'm not convinced this is competently true, lineups got blown away in the past too).
I think, however, it is one of only a number of contributing factors. Flatter wickets and bigger bats over the past two decades have made batsmen more confident in their ability to dominate through scoring rather than wait for the bad ball and leave/flat bat all the good ones. Defensive play is less necessary if you are scoring more freely and fields need to be set back. I believe, genuinely and not to wind up, that playing on increasingly flat wickets has been an issue for Aussie batsmen for many years, which is why they've consistently struggled in England and Asia over the past decade. Even in 2005 their much vaunted batting lineup was found wanting against swing in England. The more intensive touring schedules mean that sides currently seem less willing to battle through when up against it. A lot of test wins currently have seen whichever side gets the first advantage press it home pretty comprehensively. This, I think, is compounded by a number of current sides having relatively green batting lineups, or ones with clear holes in then. Finally, DRS has shifted the burden of proof away from giving the batsman the benefit of the doubt, as might have been the case more in the past. Test cricket is being changed by t20, I have no doubt, but some of the trends run back to before its existence or have developed independently. For all the lack of defensive technique we now have batsmen who have a far wider and exciting array of attacking shots than ever before. .
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