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Old 23rd January 2016, 12:14   #121
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I think everyone now recognises the ridiculousness of England's team selection for the World Cup and the poverty of ambition in the batting with Bell, Ballance and Taylor instead of Hales, Roy and Stokes.
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Old 23rd January 2016, 22:12   #122
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I think everyone now recognises the ridiculousness of England's team selection for the World Cup and the poverty of ambition in the batting with Bell, Ballance and Taylor instead of Hales, Roy and Stokes.
Taylor did OK, and it was probably too early for Roy, and you haven't mentioned Morgan, who did worse than anyone, or Bopara, who was even worse than that and in fact so bad he'll never play for England again. But yes, I think everyone except the selectors recognised it at the time. Even so, I'm surprised there aren't more people jumping up and down a year later saying I told you so.
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Old 24th January 2016, 11:11   #123
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Taylor did OK, and it was probably too early for Roy, and you haven't mentioned Morgan, who did worse than anyone, or Bopara, who was even worse than that and in fact so bad he'll never play for England again. But yes, I think everyone except the selectors recognised it at the time. Even so, I'm surprised there aren't more people jumping up and down a year later saying I told you so.
Let's put to one-side criticism of Ravi's drinks waiter performance (he actually topped the bowling averages when finally given a chance) and address the point made which was about "the poverty of ambition in the batting".

England picked the wrong type of players. Tactically it was disastrous.
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Old 24th January 2016, 16:02   #124
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Let's put to one-side criticism of Ravi's drinks waiter performance (he actually topped the bowling averages when finally given a chance) and address the point made which was about "the poverty of ambition in the batting".

England picked the wrong type of players. Tactically it was disastrous.
You might say the selectors were overly ambitious regarding the batsmen they picked.
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Old 5th September 2016, 11:59   #125
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Old 8th September 2016, 17:52   #126
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England got a world record score and in the last 18months or so, 300+ scores have become startlingly common. Im worried because it shows us a number of things, first that bats are too big, boundaries too short and pitches too flat. There is another factor too, the scariest one: bowling quality is too low.
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Old 5th October 2016, 21:45   #127
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The second largest ever chase in ODIs with SA chasing down 371 only behind *that* chase in Jo'burg a decade ago.
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Old 5th October 2016, 22:07   #128
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How many of those 300 scores have been chased?

3 or 4 maybe?

So make 300 and you nearly alwAys win.

Same old.
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So can we agree that par is looking at around 330-340 at most grounds?
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We can agree that is a winning score, yes.
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The second largest ever chase in ODIs with SA chasing down 371 only behind *that* chase in Jo'burg a decade ago.
7th time this year 300+ has been successfully chased

Under 300 in 50 overs has been successfully defended only 5 times this year

(I'm only including matches between the 9 major teams here)
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... (I'm only including matches between the 9 major teams here)
That's got to render your point null and void right there ...
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7th time this year 300+ has been successfully chased

Under 300 in 50 overs has been successfully defended only 5 times this year

(I'm only including matches between the 9 major teams here)
How many times have teams failed to chase 300+?
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How many times have teams failed to chase 300+?
9 times, but only 3 of those times was the target under 344.
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Old 6th October 2016, 00:03   #132
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How times has side batting first failed to make 300?
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So far you have shown that you are more likely to win than lose when you score over 300. So to argue par is now 340 seems odd.
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The second largest ever chase in ODIs with SA chasing down 371 only behind *that* chase in Jo'burg a decade ago.
the previous record run chase at Kingsmead was only 270 something.
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So far you have shown that you are more likely to win than lose when you score over 300. So to argue par is now 340 seems odd.
You're just trolling now, right?
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You're just trolling now, right?
How many times have 340 been scored?

How can it be par when if you score 340 you nearly always win? Par is where you expect a 50/50 game. Do you really think 340 means a 50/50 game?
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About 90 times a team has scored 350 batting first in an odi. They have lost about 5 times. Sounds about par.
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You're just trolling now, right?
I'll take that as a yes then.
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I'll take that as a yes then.
What score do you think leads to an even game? Do you actually think that a team scoring 330 is the underdog? Serious question.

If so then you will find some serious value in backing the chase!
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What score do you think leads to an even game? Do you actually think that a team scoring 330 is the underdog? Serious question.

If so then you will find some serious value in backing the chase!
Funnily enough, I backed the SA chase yesterday but I missed the real value at 6s before they started, got on at 3.9 and faffed about backing and laying and making a reasonable profit. I wouldn't regard that chase as telling us all that much about par scores though, given how terrrible the Aussie attack was.
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