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Old 30th August 2018, 15:38   #181
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Leeds United have had football managers last longer than our top 4.
Clough was there for a week or two. Just one session from a top 4 would be nice.
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Old 30th August 2018, 15:38   #182
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Ah well at least Stokes tried to battle it out. 150 would be good from here!
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Old 30th August 2018, 15:38   #183
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I guess Stokes tried to battle it out.
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Old 30th August 2018, 15:45   #184
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Like Root did last week, let me remind you all that England still leads 2-1. Our bowlers did very well in the first test as well, but our batsmen botched things up all the way until the third test. Even now, don't lose hope completely since it is your bowlers against our batsmen, and some of the catches have to stick sooner or later.
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Old 30th August 2018, 15:47   #185
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This is simplistic nonsense. Bell had a poor couple of years since being dropped by England, finding it difficult to readjust to being a county cricketer. Warwickshire caused more confusion by offering him the captaincy when he still had hopes of an England recall. County captaincy is best undertaken by players totally committed to their counties, eg Trescothick and Collingwood. Relinquishing the captaincy last season, Bell took a whole winter away from cricket to clear his mind. He started batting in spring and was like a new man, scoring hundreds in uni matches, CC2 matches, Series A and t20. Heís second highest scorer in first class cricket with 810 @ 57.85.

As I type heís just brought up his century v Glam - third v Glam, 4th of the season, 56th in career. And a couple of overs later he hit a single to bring up his 20,000th first class run.

His form this season has nothing to do with second division cricket. This is a player with nearly 8000 test runs, 22 test centuries and 118 test matches on his CV. Heís not a mundane 2nd division batsman pinching easy runs off mediocre bowlers. Something went wrong with his cricket with England three years ago and now heís bouncing back and showing us what we always knew he had.
I think this post should be moved to the Ian Bell thread on the ex-International player forum.
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Old 30th August 2018, 15:54   #186
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Like Root did last week, let me remind you all that England still leads 2-1. Our bowlers did very well in the first test as well, but our batsmen botched things up all the way until the third test. Even now, don't lose hope completely since it is your bowlers against our batsmen, and some of the catches have to stick sooner or later.
Oh I agree. Until both sides bat it's hard to call but I suspect India will bat better than this.
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Old 30th August 2018, 15:57   #187
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This series is set up for hildreth and Bell to ride to our rescue.

I still can’t quite compute why everyone is a place too high when we play a three at 7. It is just bizarre. What is the possible reason?
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Old 30th August 2018, 15:58   #188
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Your number three at County level doesn't always work as a number three in Tests. He'd be opening here and remember what happened when he opened in Tests in the best place to open (The UAE)?
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Your number three at County level doesn't always work as a number three in Tests. He'd be opening here and remember what happened when he opened in Tests in the best place to open (The UAE)?
But surely it makes sense to move one (to his County position) to allow the following four to bat in the positions they are most comfortable in?
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Watching England cricket is like being stuck in a Star Trek time loop. Same thing over and over.
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But surely it makes sense to move one (to his County position) to allow the following four to bat in the positions they are most comfortable in?
Haven't Moeen's best innings for England been played lower down the order when the ball is older? Or did I miss those?
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I think this post should be moved to the Ian Bell thread on the ex-International player forum.
Whatever.

But I was replying to your post on this thread. This longstanding derision of a fine England player is tedious. KP has recently tweeted that Bell should be recalled. The current batting order is constantly failing and most of the batsmen called up have failed.
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Haven't Moeen's best innings for England been played lower down the order when the ball is older? Or did I miss those?
Haven't Root's best innings been at 4? Stokes at 6? Bairstow at 7? etc etc
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Haven't Moeen's best innings for England been played lower down the order when the ball is older? Or did I miss those?
Havenít root, Bairstow and stokes scored more lower down?

I donít understand why people say opening is the same as batting 3. It really isnít. How often did Ponting open?
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Haven’t root, Bairstow and stokes scored more lower down?

I don’t understand why people say opening is the same as batting 3. It really isn’t. How often did Ponting open?
It's the same with the England openers playing as they are at the moment. Did Hayden and Langer ever go through a period when they were as bad or really anywhere near as bad as Cook and Jennings are at the moment?
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Whatever.

But I was replying to your post on this thread. This longstanding derision of a fine England player is tedious. KP has recently tweeted that Bell should be recalled. The current batting order is constantly failing and most of the batsmen called up have failed.
It was Paul who brought his name up, and I was responding to you.

Distinguished career or not, in more recent years Bell is simply just one of the many top 5 batsmen that have failed for England. England have already gone back to players like Ballance, Jennings and Vince with no success, and they have all had more compelling cases for recall than Bell.
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It's the same with the England openers playing as they are at the moment.
This is it, right now England's number three bat may as well open.

Moeen proved he wasn't up to opening the batting for England in the UAE so why would you want to try him effectively doing the same in far more bowler friendly conditions?
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Oh well, at least recalling these two seems to be working.
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Unfortunately for Bell Bayliss didnít see the best of Bell when he took over in 2015. Bell was then dropped after a poor Pakistan tour and England seemingly washed their hands of him altogether. It looks as if they are unwilling to acknowledge that Bell might still have had something to offer, and has something to bring to the middle order right now; so selecting him would make them look stupid. Heaven forfend that England management and selectors should look stupid.
Bell would be an excellent pick if England were playing Glamorgan.

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Whatever.

But I was replying to your post on this thread. This longstanding derision of a fine England player is tedious. KP has recently tweeted that Bell should be recalled. The current batting order is constantly failing and most of the batsmen called up have failed.
Since when have you put any value in what KP says? You were too busy deriding a fine England player!


Burns should have been playing this time last year.

1. Burns
2. Cook
3. Root
4. J. Clarke (although having picked Pope they should at least stick with him)
5. Stokes
6. Bairstow
7. Buttler
8. Woakes/S. Curran
9. Rashid
10. Broad
11. Anderson

Hopefully someone will put their hand up to replace Cook sooner rather than later.
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Moeen proved he wasn't up to opening the batting for England in the UAE so why would you want to try him effectively doing the same in far more bowler friendly conditions?
Personally I wouldn't but I can kind of understand that people may think it's for the greater good even if he hasn't looked good opening in test matches that was quite a while ago, funnily enough the same time Buttler was keeping and Ian Bell was still playing.

Cook, Ali, Bell, Root, Bairstow, Stokes, Buttler(k), Rashid, Broad, Wood, Andersen. First test in the UAE.
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