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Old 24th August 2018, 23:09   #21
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Interesting what Bob Willis said that when you're injured the ball follows you around. Imagine if they try to hide Bairstow in the outfield and he has to take a steepling catch.
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Old 25th August 2018, 02:57   #22
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Interesting what Bob Willis said that when you're injured the ball follows you around. Imagine if they try to hide Bairstow in the outfield and he has to take a steepling catch.
I'm not sure a steepling catch would be a problem would it, much slower than something 25m from the bat hit with power?
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Old 25th August 2018, 05:55   #23
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What about the pitch? I saw a bit of Notts vs Hampshire game via Hampshire's Twitter handle and it seemed to be on the drier side.
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Old 25th August 2018, 20:31   #24
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I strongly suspect that we will continue the recent trend in this country of following up a shambles with a glorious win.
Fully agreed - England have bowlers better suited to these conditions. An inferior attack with a bit of support from their batsmen (which India unexpectedly provided at Trent Bridge) might create an upset in the odd Test but over a longer period of time, the better attack will inevitably prevail. As such, England could dish out rather a heavy beating to India at the Rose Bowl.
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Old 26th August 2018, 11:08   #25
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All grounds should be a five to ten min stroll from the station. Somerset, lords and the oval are great.

I also like headingley but that is because one of my best mates lives a stone throw from the oak pub which has a fantastic beer garden (but not been for years) and that is a short stroll from the ground.
I like Headingley too. It's the closest first class ground to where I live, loads of free parking nearby and plenty of good pubs on Headingley high street. My current favourite is the Head of Steam. I usually have a look in the Oxfam book shop too. I drive most times but it's also do-able on public transport.

Old Trafford on the other hand is a pain in the backside to park near. And it's not near anything. I rarely go these days.
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Old 26th August 2018, 14:02   #26
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Old Trafford on the other hand is a pain in the backside to park near. And it's not near anything. I rarely go these days.
Last time I went to Old Trafford I was in Altrincham day/night before, got the train/metrolink to the platform within walking distance of the ground.

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Old 26th August 2018, 14:33   #27
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Last time I went to Old Trafford I was in Altrincham day/night before, got the train/metrolik to the platform within walking distance of the ground.
Yeah it's linked up to the tram pretty well. But the train from where I live to Manchester is stupidly expensive...and then you need a tram ticket on top. Also it's an awful place to go to in a car.
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Old 27th August 2018, 08:45   #28
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Yeah it's linked up to the tram pretty well. But the train from where I live to Manchester is stupidly expensive...and then you need a tram ticket on top. Also it's an awful place to go to in a car.
sorry, the / was to indicate I'm not sure what the transport type was, I drove to Altrincham.

Some advocated I take the train, but frankly at whatever the price was and having to get to a station and for a specific time I decided to drive.

At the end of the day I wouldn't probably go to that ground, or some others, because the overall day is too expensive. Think I got a good deal on that match ticket, but very hard to find reasonable priced tickets as the silly money in sport and its bill is footed by the mugs, joe public
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Old 27th August 2018, 09:10   #29
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Think it may be foolish to risk Bairstow, but England did rather sweep the batting problems under the carpet with one sacrificial lamb, and brought back another not cutting it as cover.

batsmen and all-rounder series/career batting averages

Cook : 16.00 / 45.11
Jennings : 18.80 / 23.17
Root : 28.40 / 51.28
Bairstow : 41.20 / 38.55
Malan : 14.00 / 27.85
Pope : 18.00 / 18.00
Buttler : 34.00 / 34.84
Vince : NA / 24.91

Woakes : 74.50 / 30.67
Curran : 42.33 / 36.75
Stokes : 24.75 / 34.33
Ali : NA / 32.40

Other than Bairstow only Buttler is averaging over 30 in the series of the batsmen so they bring in cover with someone who averages under 25 in his career!

Just looking at those series and career averages for Malan and Jennings might suggest the series had a very good chance of ending after their careers!

Like with the spin cycles England get I think you do have to be patient in waiting for the right batsman/spinner to come along. The theory that players need time to settle holds some water, but they don't always.

Cook was averaging 40 almost from the off in his career, Root low 30s then 40+ by his 6th Test. Bairstow took 4 Tests to average 30+ and only from his 23rd Test onwards did he move it up towards 40 and keep it around there, but he wasn't playing Test after Test and flailing around in the low to mid 20s

One thing we might all agree on is that a batsman making a hundred doesn't really indicate whether he is able to bat at this level, not anymore if ever.

I think England made a mistake jettisoning a few of the past openers who managed to average around 30 and were reasonably young. That might be a 'green light' to give Pope an extended go, but only if he can get some decent scores and average around the 27+ mark fairly quickly, the former likely to help with the latter.

One thing is for sure, England will struggle at home against any side that can adapt to English conditions, and on tour big time, if they don't sort the batting out. They can't seriously be considering taking several from say Malan, Pope, Jennings, Vince and possibly Stoneman, Ballance, Westley et al?


Furthermore their inability to act or even react to the current issues will leave them three options - take batsmen who've struggled, recall past failures, or give debuts on tour to new players. NONE of those are anywhere near ideal.

I have been pondering the 'revelation', if correct, that India had a meeting and decided they had to play straight rather than as they would in home Tests, what I may dub the 'well duh' discussion. So why can't England just do that, get forward, play straight, leave the ball if you don't have to play it........
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Old 27th August 2018, 20:08   #30
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Think it may be foolish to risk Bairstow, but England did rather sweep the batting problems under the carpet with one sacrificial lamb, and brought back another not cutting it as cover.

batsmen and all-rounder series/career batting averages

Cook : 16.00 / 45.11
Jennings : 18.80 / 23.17
Root : 28.40 / 51.28
Bairstow : 41.20 / 38.55
Malan : 14.00 / 27.85
Pope : 18.00 / 18.00
Buttler : 34.00 / 34.84
Vince : NA / 24.91

Woakes : 74.50 / 30.67
Curran : 42.33 / 36.75
Stokes : 24.75 / 34.33
Ali : NA / 32.40

Other than Bairstow only Buttler is averaging over 30 in the series of the batsmen so they bring in cover with someone who averages under 25 in his career!

Just looking at those series and career averages for Malan and Jennings might suggest the series had a very good chance of ending after their careers!

Like with the spin cycles England get I think you do have to be patient in waiting for the right batsman/spinner to come along. The theory that players need time to settle holds some water, but they don't always.

Cook was averaging 40 almost from the off in his career, Root low 30s then 40+ by his 6th Test. Bairstow took 4 Tests to average 30+ and only from his 23rd Test onwards did he move it up towards 40 and keep it around there, but he wasn't playing Test after Test and flailing around in the low to mid 20s

One thing we might all agree on is that a batsman making a hundred doesn't really indicate whether he is able to bat at this level, not anymore if ever.

I think England made a mistake jettisoning a few of the past openers who managed to average around 30 and were reasonably young. That might be a 'green light' to give Pope an extended go, but only if he can get some decent scores and average around the 27+ mark fairly quickly, the former likely to help with the latter.

One thing is for sure, England will struggle at home against any side that can adapt to English conditions, and on tour big time, if they don't sort the batting out. They can't seriously be considering taking several from say Malan, Pope, Jennings, Vince and possibly Stoneman, Ballance, Westley et al?


Furthermore their inability to act or even react to the current issues will leave them three options - take batsmen who've struggled, recall past failures, or give debuts on tour to new players. NONE of those are anywhere near ideal.

I have been pondering the 'revelation', if correct, that India had a meeting and decided they had to play straight rather than as they would in home Tests, what I may dub the 'well duh' discussion. So why can't England just do that, get forward, play straight, leave the ball if you don't have to play it........
The biggest on going problem for England! The bottom line is we have 2 batsmen capable of averaging over 40, one of whom may be in the absolute twilight of his career. Maybe 5 players who can score brilliant 100s but likely to have career averages in the mid 30s and can only bat as high as 5 in the order. A big hole which needs filling.
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Old 28th August 2018, 01:20   #31
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Mark Nicholas team

Cook, Vince, Root, Stokes, Pope, Buttler (wk), Moeen, Curran, Woakes, Broad, Anderson.

If Bairstow is fit to bat, he plays instead of Pope. Adil Rashid is on hand if the pitch and weather suddenly turn subcontinental.
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Well England have tried various openers so why not Vince. Right/left combination. Looks ok if Stokes is not fit to bowl and Bairstow instead of Pope.
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Old 28th August 2018, 10:25   #32
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Mark Nicholas team

Cook, Vince, Root, Stokes, Pope, Buttler (wk), Moeen, Curran, Woakes, Broad, Anderson.

If Bairstow is fit to bat, he plays instead of Pope. Adil Rashid is on hand if the pitch and weather suddenly turn subcontinental.
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Well England have tried various openers so why not Vince. Right/left combination. Looks ok if Stokes is not fit to bowl and Bairstow instead of Pope.
That won’t be the team.

Will be unchanged unless WJB is unable to play even as a batsman.
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Weather should be warming up towards the end of the week - mid twenties though,not back to 30 odd.
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Old 28th August 2018, 11:43   #34
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I would be quite surprised if moeen doesn’t play. He took more wickets the other day than rashid has in about a year in first class cricket and scored almost as many runs as our top four have managed in three tests.
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Weather should be warming up towards the end of the week - mid twenties though,not back to 30 odd.
Perfect cricket-watching weather. Lower UV this time of year too, so less need to slap on the grease.
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I can’t stand it, but mainly because it is a nightmare to get to (although that might have changed).

I strongly suspect that we will continue the recent trend in this country of following up a shambles with a glorious win. Everything will be rosey again.
I went recently to a T20 double header where the ground was probably two thirds full by the evening. They have a new parking area (a very large field) which is about 5 mins walk from the ground, so the park and ride seems to be no more. I left literally as the winning run was scored, walked quickly back to car and was out without any issues at all. It's definitely improved and I find it a comfortable ground to watch in.

Worth noting, the outfield was very green, they've clearly been watering heavily throughout the dry period.
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All rounder @chriswoakes has tightness in his right quad & isn’t training today.

England will take a view on his fitness tomorrow, but aren’t expecting to bring anyone into the squad at this stage.
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I went recently to a T20 double header where the ground was probably two thirds full by the evening. They have a new parking area (a very large field) which is about 5 mins walk from the ground, so the park and ride seems to be no more. I left literally as the winning run was scored, walked quickly back to car and was out without any issues at all. It's definitely improved and I find it a comfortable ground to watch in.

Worth noting, the outfield was very green, they've clearly been watering heavily throughout the dry period.
Is that the field on the opposite side of Botley Rd as that's always been used for big games as far as I know? I don't know how they've improved the traffic though, getting from the motorway to the ground is a bit of a pain even on non match days, it can be a bloomin nightmare for evening T20 games although with a test match between 11 and 6:30 it's probably less of an issue.
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Is that the field on the opposite side of Botley Rd as that's always been used for big games as far as I know? I don't know how they've improved the traffic though, getting from the motorway to the ground is a bit of a pain even on non match days, it can be a bloomin nightmare for evening T20 games although with a test match between 11 and 6:30 it's probably less of an issue.
Yep, that's the one, but first time I've parked there. You're right about getting from motorway to ground. I went for the Ladies match first (about 2pm) and it was still bad getting to the ground for that and it was probably only about a third full.
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I like Headingley too. It's the closest first class ground to where I live, loads of free parking nearby and plenty of good pubs on Headingley high street. My current favourite is the Head of Steam. I usually have a look in the Oxfam book shop too. I drive most times but it's also do-able on public transport.

Old Trafford on the other hand is a pain in the backside to park near. And it's not near anything. I rarely go these days.
I always drive to Old Trafford and find places to park just s few minutes walk away. But it used to be so much easier before they created all the ”permit parking only” and “no parking on match day” zones. The metro is very convenient for the ground but depends where you’re coming from and it’s far too crowded at start and close of play.
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