Cricket 24/7  

Welcome to the Cricket 24/7.

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. There are also more forums available to members, such as the Lounge - where members chat about just about anything under the sun except cricket!

Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact contact us.


Go Back   Cricket 24/7 > Cricket Discussion Forums > International Cricket
Register FAQDonate Members List Calendar Casino Articles Terms of Use Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 29th August 2018, 15:06   #61
Sir Virgs and Zamora
Posting God
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 21,272
Quote:
Originally Posted by Notts Exile View Post
Who cares? He'll pretty much be opening.

Seems unfair on Oli Pope to discard him already. We don't need two spinners. And Moeen gets re-selected on the back of one innings? Bizarre. Has his game improved since we last saw him destroyed by Aussies?
Well it is with the same ball and conditions as when he destroyed saffers and India before. Arguably more relevant than a match with a different ball in different conditions when injured. Rashid still isn’t a test bowler and root obviously doesn’t trust him. Pointless to play him.
Sir Virgs and Zamora is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29th August 2018, 15:08   #62
Prince of Denmark
International Cricketer
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Sydenham Hill
Team(s): Surrey CCC, Dulwich Hamlet FC, England
Age: 52
Posts: 2,061
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bestie View Post
Better for Pope to be left out now rather than bat at 4 and be left to have his confidence ruined. Could have come in at 6 with Bairstow at 4, but Moeen is a better test batsman at this stage and also offers a bowling option. Building for the future doesn’t mean shoehorning in rough, talented players players to roles they have never played before - despite, of course Smith’s “golden touch” that cricinfo like drooling over as much as they do the Kohli/Anderson nonsense. Pope has shown glimpses of his promise and will probably be well-served for his experience but equally was patently some way from being ready to be a test 4 behind such a shaky top order.
Completely agree, as I sit at The Oval with Surrey 104-3 against Nottinghamshire. If England had taken this decision a few hours earlier Pope would be next man in. I wouldn't mind if he'd been acting as cover for someone who's just passed a fitness test but replacing him with Moeen is a decision based purely on tactics and very recent form.

Or better still why can't the Test and the Championship matches start on the same day? Yet another example of the ECB and "Team England" treating the counties with contempt.
Prince of Denmark is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29th August 2018, 15:45   #63
Jock McTuffnel v3
World Class
 
Jock McTuffnel v3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Cambridge
Team(s): England
Posts: 6,864
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Coolerking View Post
Moeen got re-selected on the back of a double ton and a 6fer in a FC match. Slightly more than the one ODI delivery that Rashid got picked for.

Pope could easily have batted at 6 now they've been forced to dispense with Bairstow's gloves (here's hoping that's permanent).
Rashid outbowled Moeen by some distance in the ODI and T20 series vs India. File this one ball bunkum in the bin.
__________________
Jock McTuffnel v3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29th August 2018, 15:46   #64
Jock McTuffnel v3
World Class
 
Jock McTuffnel v3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Cambridge
Team(s): England
Posts: 6,864
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Virgs and Zamora View Post
Well it is with the same ball and conditions as when he destroyed saffers and India before. Arguably more relevant than a match with a different ball in different conditions when injured. Rashid still isn’t a test bowler and root obviously doesn’t trust him. Pointless to play him.
Moeen failed in 3 straight tests series before being dropped. Pope got 3 tests..
__________________
Jock McTuffnel v3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29th August 2018, 15:58   #65
Sir Coolerking
International Material
 
Sir Coolerking's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Berks
Team(s): England, Sussex, Portsmouth
Posts: 1,324
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jock McTuffnel v3 View Post
Rashid outbowled Moeen by some distance in the ODI and T20 series vs India. File this one ball bunkum in the bin.
White ball schmite ball. The Indians didn't even select Ashwin for the ODI's, does that mean he can't play in the Tests because Yadav was good in the T20's?
Sir Coolerking is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29th August 2018, 16:05   #66
Sir Virgs and Zamora
Posting God
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 21,272
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jock McTuffnel v3 View Post
Rashid outbowled Moeen by some distance in the ODI and T20 series vs India. File this one ball bunkum in the bin.
Lol. He didn’t really though did he. Marginally better. You ignore moeen winning one with his economy to up the rate before Rashid cashed in.

But yeah white ball relevant anyway b
Sir Virgs and Zamora is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29th August 2018, 16:08   #67
Sir Virgs and Zamora
Posting God
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 21,272
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jock McTuffnel v3 View Post
Moeen failed in 3 straight tests series before being dropped. Pope got 3 tests..
All after man of the series in these conditions. Yeah write him off.
Sir Virgs and Zamora is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29th August 2018, 16:21   #68
Rebelstar
International Material
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 1,797
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Virgs and Zamora View Post
How many innings has he played batting 3
Opener : 6 inns, 84 runs @ 14.00
#3 : 1 inns, 5 runs @ 5.00

Not exactly a large enough sample to draw solid conclusions from, but there's a reason why England are not batting him up the order so best ask them what it is and decide if it's valid.

Think probably the most relevant fact is in home series he's averaged 36+ with bat in 5 out of 8, but with ball he's averaged under 40 just twice

Whether he is England's best spinner or not, there is a fair bit of evidence he's scored runs in England, averaging 38.34 overall with the bat in England/UK, harder to just via his overall average with the ball as those 2 good series brought 44 very cheap wickets and so skew his average performance (mode over mean if you prefer, may sound mean not to use the mean, but mode is valid or maybe we need a medianator)


I'd take Ali over Pope, Malan, Jennings and Cook (in current form)
Rebelstar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29th August 2018, 16:22   #69
Rebelstar
International Material
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 1,797
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Virgs and Zamora View Post
All after man of the series in these conditions. Yeah write him off.
To be fair all he might be saying is it seems a bit mean to dump a kid after three poor/modest Tests when players get three poor series before they are dropped...………

It's not as if Moeen hadn't played for England before and was his 1st experience at that level
Rebelstar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29th August 2018, 16:25   #70
Jock McTuffnel v3
World Class
 
Jock McTuffnel v3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Cambridge
Team(s): England
Posts: 6,864
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Virgs and Zamora View Post
Lol. He didn’t really though did he. Marginally better. You ignore moeen winning one with his economy to up the rate before Rashid cashed in.

But yeah white ball relevant anyway b
“Marginally better” : 4x the wickets.
__________________
Jock McTuffnel v3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29th August 2018, 16:27   #71
Jock McTuffnel v3
World Class
 
Jock McTuffnel v3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Cambridge
Team(s): England
Posts: 6,864
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Virgs and Zamora View Post
All after man of the series in these conditions. Yeah write him off.
A meaningless gong vs 3 poor series.

Consistent away failure.

2 hard series in the winter coming up and an Ashes next summer and we’ve abandoned the rebuild after a couple of games.
__________________
Jock McTuffnel v3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29th August 2018, 16:32   #72
Sir Coolerking
International Material
 
Sir Coolerking's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Berks
Team(s): England, Sussex, Portsmouth
Posts: 1,324
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jock McTuffnel v3 View Post
A meaningless gong vs 3 poor series.

Consistent away failure.

2 hard series in the winter coming up and an Ashes next summer and we’ve abandoned the rebuild after a couple of games.
The problem is that despite his obvious limitations with the ball, I fear he's still probably the best we've got (certainly as an all round package anyway).
Sir Coolerking is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29th August 2018, 16:45   #73
Jock McTuffnel v3
World Class
 
Jock McTuffnel v3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Cambridge
Team(s): England
Posts: 6,864
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Coolerking View Post
The problem is that despite his obvious limitations with the ball, I fear he's still probably the best we've got (certainly as an all round package anyway).
Was he our best player in the 3 series vs WI , Oz and NZ ?

No. Not by a mile.

Pope and Curran have been harshly treated. That the Cook now Root regime runs on dressing room cliques and favourites would be fine if England were winning - but we are bang average.
__________________
Jock McTuffnel v3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29th August 2018, 16:47   #74
Corbo 61
Posting God
 
Corbo 61's Avatar
Good luck DOH
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Doing something more useful
Team(s): Norwich City Kent CCC
Posts: 14,844
Wink

Bairstow fit to bat. Moeen will play. Curran back.
__________________
I was dreaming I was awake, then I woke up and found I was asleep.
Corbo 61 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29th August 2018, 17:05   #75
Sir Virgs and Zamora
Posting God
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 21,272
Loving jock meltdown. It would be very funny if moeen got runs and wickets.
Sir Virgs and Zamora is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29th August 2018, 17:15   #76
AJ101
International Material
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Posts: 1,841
What is it with England naming their side a day early all the time? What advantage does that give to us? It's absolute tosh, tell the players if you want but why tell the opposition team what you're doing?
AJ101 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29th August 2018, 18:15   #77
Jock McTuffnel v3
World Class
 
Jock McTuffnel v3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Cambridge
Team(s): England
Posts: 6,864
Seems like Stokes is a bit flakey to bowl - hence a bits n pieces player brought in to fill in with a few anodyne overs.
__________________
Jock McTuffnel v3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29th August 2018, 18:16   #78
geoff_boycotts_grandmother
Administrator
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 28,315
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Coolerking View Post
Cricinfo is largely written for the Indian audience - anything Kohli related gets lapped up.

Have you noticed far you have to scroll across the scores now to find the County Cricket. I'm not sure who STKNP or GAW are but they appear before Essex v Hants!!
Yes! This is a real nuisance.

Is there anyway to customise this? I'm guessing STKNP is St Kitts and Nevis Penguins/Partygoers and GAW are Guyana Animal Whackers from the CPL but is there really any need to have a meaningless A-team tri-series and some Asia Qualifiers (qualifiers for what?) between HK and Malaysia before the County Championship?

They even inexplicably had division 2 ahead of division 1 last week. And God knows what's happened to their stats. It use to be so easy.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Michelle Fivefer
It was a poor innings by Bell with the bat.
geoff_boycotts_grandmother is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29th August 2018, 18:16   #79
Jock McTuffnel v3
World Class
 
Jock McTuffnel v3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Cambridge
Team(s): England
Posts: 6,864
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir Virgs and Zamora View Post
Loving jock meltdown. It would be very funny if moeen got runs and wickets.
I wasn’t laughing during the Ashes when he wasn’t if that helps. Not Nz nor Windies...
__________________
Jock McTuffnel v3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29th August 2018, 18:18   #80
AJ101
International Material
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Posts: 1,841
Quote:
Originally Posted by geoff_boycotts_grandmother View Post
They even inexplicably had division 2 ahead of division 1 last week.
That confused the heck out of me, it doesn't take much but still.
AJ101 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 16:46.



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
© Cricket247.org