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Old 29th August 2018, 19:21   #81
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Harsh on Pope but Jennings aside I think this is the strongest team we can put out. Not surprised that Woakes has broken down already and glad to see Curran back.
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Old 29th August 2018, 19:28   #82
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Vaughan saying Root should bat at 4 like all the best batsman. Weren't they recently saying Root should bat at 3 like all the best batsmen?
I suspect a little back tracking when the outcome didn't meet the previous narrative
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Old 29th August 2018, 19:45   #83
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Hmm... The way I see it, you guys are chucking out two right handers and putting in two left handers against Ashwin and Ishant. Interesting!
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Old 29th August 2018, 19:48   #84
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I wasn’t laughing during the Ashes when he wasn’t if that helps. Not Nz nor Windies...
Me neither. But most of those matches were overseas with a different ball when he was injured. Focus on home domination of India saffers and being a key man (third highest runs and wickets wasn’t it) in an ashes. It means the proper spin bowler can stay with Somerset. Excellent.

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Old 29th August 2018, 19:56   #85
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Harsh on Pope but Jennings aside I think this is the strongest team we can put out. Not surprised that Woakes has broken down already and glad to see Curran back.
I've just read The Guardian article online for tomorrow's paper and they're saying the decision is partly driven by the state of Stoke's left knee. I don't think they're 100% confident in Rashid to play on his own in a 4 man attack.
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Old 29th August 2018, 20:05   #86
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I've just read The Guardian article online for tomorrow's paper and they're saying the decision is partly driven by the state of Stoke's left knee. I don't think they're 100% confident in Rashid to play on his own in a 4 man attack.
Well Stokes wasn't fit to bowl in the T20 QF on Friday so it's not a big surprise.

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Hmm... The way I see it, you guys are chucking out two right handers and putting in two left handers against Ashwin and Ishant. Interesting!
We didn't have much choice with Woakes for Curran, I'd have dropped Jennings rather than Pope though if they think they really need an extra bowling option.
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Old 29th August 2018, 20:17   #87
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Moeen failed in 3 straight tests series before being dropped. Pope got 3 tests..
In the context of The West Indes series his batting was fine. First test he came in 2 overs before a declaration and got out following orders and slogging (which is part of the reason Root likes him because he does go out and do what he's asked to). His 100 plus runs in the second was the reason we were in a position to win the second test (getting out in the second innings chasing a declaration rather than playing for a possible century) and in the 3rd nobody scored runs. While his average wasn't that great he did what was required in 2 of 3 tests.

Bowling wise it was a teat series he'll not look back on fondly, although given the time of year it was never likely to be one for an off spinner to excel in. The real criticism is at Headingly where he took 2 wickets. The West Indes had a couple of reasonable spinners who took 5 wickets between them on a wicket which got progressively easier. Innings scores increased progresively per innings.

In the context of a team sport and playing for the team it certainly wasn't a poor series. The Ashes was.
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Old 29th August 2018, 20:30   #88
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Difference is that Pope hasn't been dropped in the way England batsmen usually are (ie discarded). He's been left out but the door is very obviously still open for him.
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Old 29th August 2018, 20:37   #89
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Well Stokes wasn't fit to bowl in the T20 QF on Friday so it's not a big surprise.



We didn't have much choice with Woakes for Curran, I'd have dropped Jennings rather than Pope though if they think they really need an extra bowling option.
There's not a surfeit of opening options. Root could open so Pope would have batted at 3, or possibly Moeen in his county position.
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Old 29th August 2018, 21:20   #90
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There's not a surfeit of opening options. Root could open so Pope would have batted at 3, or possibly Moeen in his county position.
Moeen canít play his country position because then this would mean root, Bairstow and stokes would also do that. It wouldnít make sense. Scrap that. It would be the obvious thing to do
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There's not a surfeit of opening options. Root could open so Pope would have batted at 3, or possibly Moeen in his county position.
There's not but Jennings is possibly the worst of them!
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Old 30th August 2018, 00:41   #92
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Moeen canít play his country position because then this would mean root, Bairstow and stokes would also do that. It wouldnít make sense. Scrap that. It would be the obvious thing to do
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Old 30th August 2018, 02:08   #93
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Is there anyway to customise this? I'm guessing STKNP is St Kitts and Nevis Penguins/Partygoers and GAW are Guyana Animal Whackers from the CPL but is there really any need to have a meaningless A-team tri-series and some Asia Qualifiers (qualifiers for what?) between HK and Malaysia before the County Championship?

They even inexplicably had division 2 ahead of division 1 last week. And God knows what's happened to their stats. It use to be so easy.
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One of the most annoying thing re Cricinfo is the loading of ads as you open the site or click on a particular match or article. I never learn. I’m too impatient and click on what I think is the piece I want but the ads are still loading and it takes twice as long.
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Old 30th August 2018, 08:13   #94
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Somehow, I think the inclusion of Curran is going to be good for England as he provides a different angle and also swings the ball into the right handers. I see this challenging Kohli and others, especially when they try to play it through the leg side. Also, we cannot always bank on England slip cordon giving us gifts.
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Curran was unlucky to be dropped and would have been useful last match. Hopefully dry in Southampton. Both captains and pundits will be in a quandary now over how to respond to the toss. I guess it's back to bat first and then collapse anyway.
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Old 30th August 2018, 09:35   #96
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It has to be extreme conditions to do anything other than bat first. It wasn't at TB and it isn't today.
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Mark Nicholas team

Cook, Vince, Root, Stokes, Pope, Buttler (wk), Moeen, Curran, Woakes, Broad, Anderson.

If Bairstow is fit to bat, he plays instead of Pope. Adil Rashid is on hand if the pitch and weather suddenly turn subcontinental.
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Well England have tried various openers so why not Vince. Right/left combination. Looks ok if Stokes is not fit to bowl and Bairstow instead of Pope.
Vince opening is a whacky idea. I like it.
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It has to be extreme conditions to do anything other than bat first. It wasn't at TB and it isn't today.
That is old hat. Hot dry summer and batting first has been problematic this series for example. May be wise today but in general that cliche is not true.
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More wickets start bowler friendly but are better on days 2 and 3 for batting. They say this will be a good batting wicket. But often I hear this and it is then a low scoring match.
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The problem is that despite his obvious limitations with the ball, I fear he's still probably the best we've got (certainly as an all round package anyway).
I'm pleased that they've gone back to Ali, in a way, because he's arguably a better batsman than anyone else we've picked as a specialist batsman in the four years since he first made the side. The spin bowling (where, of course, we're also horrible) has muddied those waters. It's a colossally damning indictment of all our other batting picks though because he's not been very good overall.

If we were playing Rashid on the basis of him being a legitimate test spinner, Aliís bowling would be a very minor factor here, because three specialist seamers, Stokes bowling a few overs and a spinner should be easily enough bowling. We all know that Rashid isnít really regarded as a proper front line bowler though and that there probably is some consideration given to the extra bowling too.

It is harsh on Pope but his selection was close to a wild shot in the dark in the first place. Heís only had a short go but heís looked even more unsuited to a top 4 batting place than most of the guys weíve picked there. Not that Ali profiles as a test 3 or 4 either mind.
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