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Old 4th September 2018, 20:55   #1
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England v India - 5th Test - The Oval - 7th-11th Sept

I'm starting the match thread not to offer my thoughts on the upcoming encounter but to advise our Southron members that plentiful Day 4 tickets are available - in very decent seats - for just £35 (adults) and £1 (kids). This seems unusually inexpensive for a Test Match in That London. I've taken advantage on the basis that three of the games so far have been concluded on the 4th Day, so there's a fair chance of seeing a result and also of bidding a fond farewell to Mr Cook.

Right...that's my advice dispensed. Now, feel free to argue about the merits of various spin bowlers.
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Old 4th September 2018, 21:17   #2
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I'm starting the match thread not to offer my thoughts on the upcoming encounter but to advise our Southron members that plentiful Day 4 tickets are available - in very decent seats - for just £35 (adults) and £1 (kids). This seems unusually inexpensive for a Test Match in That London. I've taken advantage on the basis that three of the games so far have been concluded on the 4th Day, so there's a fair chance of seeing a result and also of bidding a fond farewell to Mr Cook.

Right...that's my advice dispensed. Now, feel free to argue about the merits of various spin bowlers.
Dumb week to go on holiday... Ah well, the irritation will subside with a few glasses of chianti.
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Old 5th September 2018, 06:57   #3
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Vince released, same batting line-up for the Oval

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/45408539

Looks like the only question will be if Woakes comes back in, although I question the sense in bringing a player back who had a "tight quad" for a dead rubber.

If they're going to try Ali up the order again I'd suggest he bat 4 or 5 with Stokes batting the other position, Buttler and Bairstow bat 6 or 7 depending who has the gloves

Too high for Stokes? He's applied himself as much since he got off his thuggery charge, may not have converted more than one to a fifty but :

62 off 187 balls
23 off 79 balls
30 off 110 balls

The latter two made in a match where neither side scored 300, makes more sense than batting Ali at #3 out of the blue and is prone to silly dismissals.

Of course if England had just finished fielding and Stokes bowled a fair few overs towards the end then you might drop him down the order IF England lost early wickets, otherwise why not give him responsibility and tell him he can bat where Kallis batted most of his career (170 out of 280 inns), go out and emulate his record - well that might be a bit much to expect.
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Old 5th September 2018, 10:11   #4
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See England selector thread - Buttler is keeping for the foreseeable.

Only questions are Rashid vs Woakes and who bats where.
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Old 5th September 2018, 14:33   #5
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Pope be called up half way through a county game is odd unless they have fitness concerns over Stokes.
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Old 5th September 2018, 16:15   #6
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Meanwhile, Vince has already complete his batting duties for Hants (19 runs from 2 innings).

It also seems unlikely that Pope will need to bat again for Surrey anyway.
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Old 6th September 2018, 12:40   #7
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Forecast looking better - predict an easy England win.
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Forecast looking better - predict an easy England win.
Think I'll go with whoever bats first.
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All signs pointing to Jonny Bairstow resuming as England’s Test wicketkeeper. Drilling with Bruce French right now, meanwhile Trevor Bayliss having a chinwag with Jos Buttler
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Unchanged team, WJB back as keeper, batting as per second innings.
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Unchanged team, WJB back as keeper, batting as per second innings.
I think that's fair enough. It's worth giving Moeen a proper run at the number 3 spot and drops Root and Bairstow down to more comfortable positions.
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I think that's fair enough. It's worth giving Moeen a proper run at the number 3 spot and drops Root and Bairstow down to more comfortable positions.
I'd even move Bairstow back to 7.
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I think that's fair enough. It's worth giving Moeen a proper run at the number 3 spot and drops Root and Bairstow down to more comfortable positions.
We will see. Personally think he’s better off in the lower pressure 7/8 slot to add a breezy 30.
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Yes, I agree with that. I seem to remember Ali once doing a decent job up the order against Sri Lanka (I think and it may have been at Headingley) but, since then, he seems to have taken a one style fits all situations approach.
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Moeen is doomed to fail. I am trying to think of any front line bowler who also managed to hold down number 3. Not even the greatest in big Jacques liked batting 3 after bowling. How can someone be expected to bowl 25 overs and then get their pads straight on.

Obviously this is based on us giving up on the pretence that Rashid is number 1 spinner.
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Obviously this is based on us giving up on the pretence that Rashid is number 1 spinner.
Makes you wonder what they promised Rashid if he returned to red ball ?

Assured pick for the summer / winter ?
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Moeen is doomed to fail. I am trying to think of any front line bowler who also managed to hold down number 3. Not even the greatest in big Jacques liked batting 3 after bowling. How can someone be expected to bowl 25 overs and then get their pads straight on.

Obviously this is based on us giving up on the pretence that Rashid is number 1 spinner.
It's not really a long term solution. Stokes this season has shown the most in terms of battling the swinging ball. Personally I think they need to work out where the knee problem is going and decide if he's able to carry on as a frontline bowlèr. If he can't then he needs to look to move up the order. You can't really plan when you don't know whether he will be able to bowl 0 or 20 overs in a day.
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So Bairstow chucks a strop and gets the gloves back. Except we know that if he bats at 5 he won't score runs.
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Makes you wonder what they promised Rashid if he returned to red ball ?

Assured pick for the summer / winter ?
It is really odd. Surely leach is a better bet. I can see why they picked adil at the time but I suspect this is ed smith’s ego at play. There is a reason adil sacked off first class cricket.
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It is really odd. Surely leach is a better bet. I can see why they picked adil at the time but I suspect this is ed smith’s ego at play. There is a reason adil sacked off first class cricket.
Perhaps there is a worry about Leach's action being scrutinised by international umpires.
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