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Old 7th September 2018, 19:04   #181
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India were not on it first session but they were sensational the rest of the day.

Cook is going and moeen is not wanted by many on here.

Runs will be plentiful as we go forward.
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Old 7th September 2018, 19:36   #182
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Been at the Oval today. It was a relatively composed but not very energetic start but the momentum was mostly with England. The pitch didnít appear to have demons. Then post lunch, that hour session when the Indian quicks did everything but take a wicket, one would have thought that England would break the shackles.

Yet that never happened and a never very fluent Cook chopped on. Sure he batted long, but even 3 years ago you would have backed him to have 3 figures to his name. Then it was highly predictable.Kudos to the Indian bowlers many mind, a performance of discipline and consistency dragged England down and meant that there has been no counter attack from the middle/lower middle order, the one time that the top 3 did a job of sorts. Moís fifty was one of the worst you might ever see but he does deserve credit for his perseverance.

Remains to be seen how a flaky Indian batting lineup might do. I was able to wind up the Yorkshiremen in our cricket club by congratulating Rashid for ensuring that the white rose county didnít entirely fire blanks today!
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Old 7th September 2018, 19:47   #183
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Remains to be seen how a flaky Indian batting lineup might do. I was able to wind up the Yorkshiremen in our cricket club by congratulating Rashid for ensuring that the white rose county didnít entirely fire blanks today!
The White Rose is struggling a bit in the Champo this season. The old adage 'When Yorkshire is strong, England is strong' can sometimes work in reverse!
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Old 7th September 2018, 19:53   #184
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I have no idea what to make of day 1. Cook and Jennings looked comfortable in the morning but after lunch it looked like a wicket would fall every ball. 198-7 is, on paper, a pretty dire effort but with a bit of luck and some better catching England could easily have been bowled out for 130. As it is they could get 100 more than that if Jos gets a few off the middle in the morning. If England can restrict India’s lead to relatively manageable proportions we could be in for another cracker.
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Old 7th September 2018, 19:53   #185
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Ishant Sharma has figures of 22-10-28-3. That's really amazing figures, from an Indian seamer, and that too Ishant Sharma! He's been really good in this tour, I must say
Those are awesome figures against anyone, anywhere.

Ishant was mediocre for such a long, long time that I'm just unable to see him as the reasonably decent bowler he's become over the last few years (averaging 28 from 34 Tests since 2014, and reasonably consistent across conditions bar one terrible series in Australia).

But one thing you can't fault him for is effort. He really gives it his all for the team. Whether its because of a lack of nous or not enough guidance, its just a shame he didn't become the bowler his natural gifts suggested he might have become.
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Old 7th September 2018, 19:56   #186
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I have no idea what to make of day 1. Cook and Jennings looked comfortable in the morning but after lunch it looked like a wicket would fall every ball. 198-7 is, on paper, a pretty dire effort but with a bit of luck and some better catching England could easily have been bowled out for 130. As it is they could get 100 more than that if Jos gets a few off the middle in the morning. If England can restrict Indiaís lead to relatively manageable proportions we could be in for another cracker.
I think this might pan out similarly to Edgbaston and Southampton: I can see India coming close to the England total, but then England getting just enough in the third innings to beat India. Whilst India's myriad technical failings in English conditions are plain to see, I think mentally they also struggle away from home - they're unable to seize the key moments in the way they do in India.
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Old 7th September 2018, 19:58   #187
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Without seeing a single ball bowled, that looks a pretty insipid score for England.
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Old 7th September 2018, 20:02   #188
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I have no idea what to make of day 1. Cook and Jennings looked comfortable in the morning but after lunch it looked like a wicket would fall every ball. 198-7 is, on paper, a pretty dire effort but with a bit of luck and some better catching England could easily have been bowled out for 130. As it is they could get 100 more than that if Jos gets a few off the middle in the morning. If England can restrict Indiaís lead to relatively manageable proportions we could be in for another cracker.
Considering how poor the Indian batting has been and seemingly bowler friendly conditions tomorrow it wouldn't surprise me of very level scores or even an England lead.

The pitch didn't have any demons in it but there was some seam movement off all lengths combined with more swing than there was today batting could be very tricky if England get it in the right areas
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Old 7th September 2018, 21:04   #189
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They ain't council pitches. These groundsmen have hoses.
Come on. It's the bit further below the surface that determines the wicket not just watering the grass.
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Old 7th September 2018, 21:08   #190
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Come on. It's the bit further below the surface that determines the wicket not just watering the grass.
But, if you keep that grass nice 'n' green, it makes a difference...as per Cook's post-match comments.
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But, if you keep that grass nice 'n' green, it makes a difference...as per Cook's post-match comments.
I guess so. So (sorry about the 2 so's) all this perpetual banter for a hundred years or so about hot dry weather affecting the wicket is tosh? Or maybe just since covered pitches?
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Old 7th September 2018, 21:28   #192
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I guess so. So (sorry about the 2 so's) all this perpetual banter for a hundred years or so about hot dry weather affecting the wicket is tosh? Or maybe just since covered pitches?
Well, there haven't been too many big scores in the Championship this year either. Then again, there wasn't much Champo cricket played during the heatwave.
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Old 7th September 2018, 21:31   #193
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I think that was a what the heck review, it's been shown that batsman don't always know when they hit it a few times in the last couple of years.
Most reviews are punts. Rashid was just awake to the fact Buttler was the last bat with much hope of taking them near or to 250 or more ie they had nothing to lose

I think one pundit said the reviews are supposed to be for howlers, well that's what some are hoping the review will produce!
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Old 7th September 2018, 21:34   #194
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Well, there haven't been too many big scores in the Championship this year either. Then again, there wasn't much Champo cricket played during the heatwave.
Interesting. I don't follow the county scene as close as you but this does appear to be different to the norm. Something seems to have changed. More than just 2020 influence.
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The way England was building the platform, I expected them to really open up sometime during the second session and go after the Indian bowlers in the third. Having reached home, I was surprised to see that England is still scoring slowly, lost 5 wickets in total and probably handed India a slight advantage. Of course, the generous visitors that we have been, I am sure the favour would be returned very soon, mostly if and when Curran comes in to bat.
There may be an element of them getting out playing too loosely they went too far the other way.

There were some tame dismissals, and part of the problem was they put on a big second wicket partnership then lost key wickets too quickly.

Jennings dismissal was a bit tame, Root played a loose shot but perhaps thought the ball was more on a line of leg than it was, Bairstow's wasn't exactly brilliant but I'd rate Root and Jennings' as worse.

To be fair to most of them they tried to play the right way, it wasn't a whole load of flashes wide outside off stump even if some were fairly tame. Perhaps the assertion they should have shown a bit more urgency and pushed for more runs when on top is correct, once they lost a batch of wickets there was no real momentum.
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... Rashid was just awake to the fact Buttler was the last bat with much hope of taking them near or to 250 or more ie they had nothing to lose ...
I hope Rashid plays for Buttler in the morning. We could still put on some decent runs ... or fall in a heap.

Just watched the highlights on the BBC website ... they should make them longer ... it was mostly wickets ... as I recall, highlights used to be mostly shots off crap balls and the ball rolling away along the ground. Looks like the ball was bouncing on and up nicely today.

Play finished at 6.30 after the full 90 overs. Run rate 2.2. It seems that what takes up the time is the ball rolling away along the ground.
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Play finished at 6.30 after the full 90 overs. Run rate 2.2. It seems that what takes up the time is the ball rolling away along the ground.
Big surface at The Oval....although not as big as it once was, when all-run fives were not uncommon.
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I hope Rashid plays for Buttler in the morning. We could still put on some decent runs ... or fall in a heap.

Just watched the highlights on the BBC website ... they should make them longer ... it was mostly wickets ... as I recall, highlights used to be mostly shots off crap balls and the ball rolling away along the ground. Looks like the ball was bouncing on and up nicely today.

Play finished at 6.30 after the full 90 overs. Run rate 2.2. It seems that what takes up the time is the ball rolling away along the ground.
Jadeja bowling 24 overs in about 45 minutes probably helped the over rate as well! If I'd have been Shami bowling a 9 over spell at the other end I'd have been telling him to slow down...
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The way the ball was swinging around England could regret not picking Woakes instead of Rashid.
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