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Old 7th September 2018, 09:48   #41
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England seem to pass up any opportunity to persist with him there or bat him in a sensible position to give it a proper go.

He's had 20 knocks batting in the top five, did well enough in India at #5, but England seem happier to hide him down in the low pressure slots of 7-8 and take his occasional performances with bat and/or ball

I tend to forget I have a pretty good file on him, not least as he hasn't played a lot of Tests recently, splitting his performances batting and bowling by where he bats in the order.

Moeen Ali

Batting 1-6 : 900 runs @ 26.47 & 58 wkts @ 39.64
Batting 7-9 : 1644 runs @ 36.53 & 84 wkts @ 38.64

He averages 40 with bat and ball at #7, one interesting stat perhaps oft overlooked is he does average 27.75 with the ball 2nd innings although that is balanced by his 4+ wicket efforts vs the rest

What is the disappointment with Moeen Ali is that in 51 Tests he has only scored 50+ runs and taken 3+ wickets EIGHT times, missed out by one run last Test but it's a fairly low bar to set and he's not clearing it very often - high bar if you want limbo instead of high jump.

He has scored 70+ runs in a Test 15 times, and taken 5+ wickets 9 times, 4 of those 9 Tests where he took 5+ wickets he also scored 70+ runs so that isn't terrible, a good+ performance 20 Tests out of 51 but then again given he has two bites at the cherry each Test, he has bowled under 90 balls in a Test only on five occasions so not like he's starved of bowling opportunity, that's not fantastic either.
I LOVE this analysis and the bar you have set. How many times has he won a man of the match award? 22 players in a match and they all have an equal chance (well they don’t really because moeen is two players in one) so you would expect 2 or 3. He has 6 by the way. So he wins man of the match about once in every 8 matches he plays. He has one away in South Africa and one in India too. Useless

What is disappointing in your analysis is that it makes no reference to the amount of times he has been stranded with the tail and got out slogging. He could have substantially boosted his average by doing what is right for him rather than the team.

I never quite understand the argument that there is less pressure at 7 than 3. If you are number 3 and fail then there are still lots to come. However if you come in at 100/5 all the time and know you are the last batsman then isn’t there more pressure on you? You can’t just allow others to pick up the pieces.

Keep going with the pointlessly negative language - it is amusing.
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Old 7th September 2018, 10:05   #42
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...The problems regarding Leach's action were sorted out quite some time ago now. There is, however, a worry that despite this you will still post this same cretinous post whenever his name is mentioned in connection with the England team.
Once a bowler's action has come under scrutiny, it will always be under scrutiny. It's a valid concern and your comment is the really cretinous one.

It's rather difficult to get enthused about this test now. Hopefully, it will be a good swansong for Cook.
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Old 7th September 2018, 10:35   #43
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Kohli calls incorrectly for a 5th time and England bat.

Sounds like it will do a bit first thing this morning but be decent for batting after lunch. Can we avoid being 4 down at that point?

Eng unchanged, India give a debut for Vihari and Jadeja in too for Pandya and Ashwin.
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Old 7th September 2018, 10:38   #44
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It's rather difficult to get enthused about this test now. Hopefully, it will be a good swansong for Cook.
I have a ticket for Monday, so I'm right up for it. The dream would be for England to need 175 to win on the last day and Cook to make an unbeaten 70 of them.

If it all goes wrong, there's a choice county game at Lord's to visit instead. Ooh, it's great being a cricket lover in London.
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Old 7th September 2018, 10:41   #45
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Once a bowler's action has come under scrutiny, it will always be under scrutiny. It's a valid concern ...
Of course the legality of any bowler's action is a valid concern. Hence the action of all bowlers considered for or playing in test cricket is under scrutiny. But if a bowler has been found wanting under such scrutiny in the past, that shouldn't mean the future scrutiny is any more intensive in his case than in others. If anything, one might expect that a bowler whose action has consciously been remedied for legality would be more likely to pass muster in future than a bowler who hasn't. Of course there may be some psychological hangover tainting a previously problematic bowler on the basis of past association, but if one realises this, one might potentially nip in the bud any urge to cast ignorant aspersions simply on that basis.
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Sounds like it will do a bit first thing this morning but be decent for batting after lunch. Can we avoid being 4 down at that point?
I'm sure you will, but even if in case not, Curran will flog the Indian bowlers to all parts anyway!
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I'm sure you will, but even if in case not, Curran will flog the Indian bowlers to all parts anyway!
I don't see England being 4 down before lunch. I always remember Oval as being a bit of a road whenever we bowl. Expect England to be 320 or so for 6 wickets down.
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At least Cook won’t be finishing his career with a pair.
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At least Cook won’t be finishing his career with a pair.
He started off with a century against India in India; he'll end it with a century against India in England.
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I don't see England being 4 down before lunch. I always remember Oval as being a bit of a road whenever we bowl. Expect England to be 320 or so for 6 wickets down.
That would be one hell of a morning session.
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Shut the **** up, Bumble, questioning Cook's decision to retire, like it's anything to do with you. I wish you'd bloody jack it in.
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Of course the legality of any bowler's action is a valid concern. Hence the action of all bowlers considered for or playing in test cricket is under scrutiny. But if a bowler has been found wanting under such scrutiny in the past, that shouldn't mean the future scrutiny is any more intensive in his case than in others. If anything, one might expect that a bowler whose action has consciously been remedied for legality would be more likely to pass muster in future than a bowler who hasn't. Of course there may be some psychological hangover tainting a previously problematic bowler on the basis of past association, but if one realises this, one might potentially nip in the bud any urge to cast ignorant aspersions simply on that basis.
It seems more likely that any ignorance there may be rests with those who think that those who have previously transgressed are less likely to do so again than those who haven't.
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He started off with a century against India in India; he'll end it with a century against India in England.
Yep - like Joe Root said, some things are just written in the stars.

Meanwhile, the Nair/Ashwin debacles add to Kohli's long list of bizarre selection choices. The way Kohli has treated Nair is just appalling.
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My bad, meant for the day.
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Yep - like Joe Root said, some things are just written in the stars.

Meanwhile, the Nair/Ashwin debacles add to Kohli's long list of bizarre selection choices. The way Kohli has treated Nair is just appalling.
I too don't understand why we would pick Hanuma Vihari when Karun Nair was originally picked and is still available for selection. He's scored runs against England (albeit in India), has been part of the original tour party and has not done anything to not get selected (at least not anything we're aware of).
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It seems more likely that any ignorance there may be rests with those who think that those who have previously transgressed are less likely to do so again than those who haven't.
I said 'one might expect ...', which means also that one might not. I didn't mention the likelihood of the expected (or not expected) circumstance. What data -- of which others may indeed be ignorant -- are your estimations of likelihood (including the likelihood that someone who says 'one might expect X' thinks X is likelier than not) based on?
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Anyway, back to the match in progress. Cook has once again made it to the late teens, so probably danger time for those of us hoping he makes a half-decent score.
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Anyway, back to the match in progress. Cook has once again made it to the late teens, so probably danger time for those of us hoping he makes a half-decent score.
No danger this time around, and good test of how effective our bowlers are going to be when the conditions do not really support them. So far, it looks like they aren't able to conjure up anything.
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No danger this time around, and good test of how effective our bowlers are going to be when the conditions do not really support them. So far, it looks like they aren't able to conjure up anything.
Yep - this is going to be a long couple of days for India. Going by Cook's recent history, that hundred might well be turned into one of his daddy tons...
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I too don't understand why we would pick Hanuma Vihari when Karun Nair was originally picked and is still available for selection. He's scored runs against England (albeit in India), has been part of the original tour party and has not done anything to not get selected (at least not anything we're aware of).
Indeed, and of course who are we as mere fans to dare ask Kohli to give an explanation for his decisions...
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