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Old 12th September 2018, 11:41   #661
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Hmmm. I'm going to agree with D/L. The back room staff is so huge these days that the decisions made by the captain on field are backed up by stats and research. The captain now does far less thinking and strategising than he would have had to do years ago. His on the field job has been made easier.
If that is the case, why do captains get so much stick (particularly on here) for their choice of bowlers and field positions?

Was it Root's decision yesterday to stick with the old ball after 80 overs or the backroom staff?

40 years ago a captain never had the DRS issue to manage.
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Old 12th September 2018, 12:00   #662
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If that is the case, why do captains get so much stick (particularly on here) for their choice of bowlers and field positions?
I suppose because ultimately it is their decision once they cross the boundary line. However, many of those decision and plans are pre-determined.

DRS is a difference, that's for sure. To be honest I don't believe I've seen many captains use it well. The key seems to be having a smart wicketkeeper and knowing which bowlers to trust - not Stuart Broad!
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Bold statement and as usual not backed up by facts.
Wrong again. I think it is a fact that test captains 40 years ago didn't have the technical assistance they now enjoy.

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What was a captain doing 40 years ago that he is not doing now?
Things necessary due to a lack of technical assistance.

Rather than ask daft questions about cricket, I suggest you concentrate on giving us all more parenting advice.
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Hmmm. I'm going to agree with D/L. The back room staff is so huge these days that the decisions made by the captain on field are backed up by stats and research. The captain now does far less thinking and strategising than he would have had to do years ago. His on the field job has been made easier.

On the flip side his off the field job is now different. The media responsibilities are far greater than they were though the pastoral responsibilities have most certainly decreased with the back up team's growth.
That summarises it far better than I could be bothered to.
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Old 12th September 2018, 12:50   #665
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I suppose because ultimately it is their decision once they cross the boundary line. However, many of those decision and plans are pre-determined.

DRS is a difference, that's for sure. To be honest I don't believe I've seen many captains use it well. The key seems to be having a smart wicketkeeper and knowing which bowlers to trust - not Stuart Broad!
I still think there were many pre-determined plans for players 30-40 years ago. Hilditch the happy hooker etc. Perhaps the main difference would have been the lack of knowledge and video footage of new players. However, they would all have played significantly more practice matches than now so there was plenty of opportunity grab some real life analysis.

It'll be interesting to see how Tim Paine goes with DRS, a wicket keeper captain ought to be able to make most of the decisions himself.
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I suppose because ultimately it is their decision once they cross the boundary line. However, many of those decision and plans are pre-determined.

DRS is a difference, that's for sure. To be honest I don't believe I've seen many captains use it well. The key seems to be having a smart wicketkeeper and knowing which bowlers to trust - not Stuart Broad!
Don’t forget that India were very late to buy in to the use of DRS. Not that it’s necessarily made much difference. Kohli has quickly bought into its use for a) himself, b) last throw of the dice, and c) pressure from his bowlers. Just like every other captain.
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I still think there were many pre-determined plans for players 30-40 years ago. Hilditch the happy hooker etc. Perhaps the main difference would have been the lack of knowledge and video footage of new players. However, they would all have played significantly more practice matches than now so there was plenty of opportunity grab some real life analysis.
Brearley wrote about team meetings before Tests when all the players were encouraged to discuss specific plans about their opponents. This once extended as far to debating whether England should lodge a formal complaint about Lillee constantly going off to change his sweat-drenched kit in 1981 (Some players agreed but Boycott objected, arguing that Lillee loved conflict to feed off).

The biggest difference in Test captaincy comes with tours. In the past, the skipper ran virtually the entire show. Sure, there was a tour manager but his role extended only so far as booking hotels and transport and shaking the hands of dignitaries. The team captain was selector-in-chief, coach, disciplinarian, father confessor, psychologist and, of course, principal tactician.

I still think that, when small percentages can have an effect, a sound and shrewd on-field captain can potentially make a profound difference, but I don't believe he's so independent in that role as he would have been 40 years ago.
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Of course the backroom staff have taken certain pressures of the captain. That’s the whole point of having such a staff! I wonder if Root has to write a report after a tour like Hutton did..

Whether captaincy is easier overall is a different question. Probably. That’s a good thing though surely?
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..The biggest difference in Test captaincy comes with tours. In the past, the skipper ran virtually the entire show. Sure, there was a tour manager but his role extended only so far as booking hotels and transport and shaking the hands of dignitaries. The team captain was selector-in-chief, coach, disciplinarian, father confessor, psychologist and, of course, principal tactician. ...
Captains also had a diplomatic role on tours. Douglas Jardine, for example, had the responsibility of fostering and maintaining good relationships with the Aussies on the 1932-33 Ashes tour.

Back then, there were only two captains worthy of the description; the one leading the team and the one driving the boat the team spent months on.

At home too, nearly everything was left to the (cricket) captain. I'm not sure that today's media work makes the job nearly as onerous as it used to be.
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