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Old 8th October 2018, 15:21   #81
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Do you really think Pakistan had ground Australia into the ground after just 63 overs of the opening test match of the series?

That would have been a valid argument on day 3 or on day 2 of the final test.

What was bulls#!t was the shot he got out playing.
I was watching the match now and then. It certainly appeared so- a 200 run opening partnership will do that to you.

And yes, you are not wrong about the shot he got out playing.

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Lyon has kept it tight- Pk have had to battle for runs.

But this is a great effort by Pakistan - they are having a good test year.

Also highlights the big advantage for India in the test rankings not to have to face them in the UAE.
Given they lost 2-0 to Sri Lanka only last year, that is a ballsy argument to make. India did face them in the UAE only last month.
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Old 8th October 2018, 16:28   #82
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Of the six players in Test history with the worst bowling average in the UAE, three of them are playing in this match for Australia. #PAKvAUS

219.00 - M L Cummings
169.00 - J H Kallis
132.50 - N M Lyon
130.00 - KC Braithwaite
126.00 - J M Holland
107.50 - M A Starc

... wicket generator Lyon gets one
Some good bowlers on that list. Highlights how hard bowling away from home can be. Yasir Shah has fabulous UAE figures but less good elsewhere and very average outside Asia.
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Old 8th October 2018, 16:57   #83
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Some good bowlers on that list. Highlights how hard bowling away from home can be. Yasir Shah has fabulous UAE figures but less good elsewhere and very average outside Asia.
It also shows how Anderson and Broad have really found a way in all conditions. Jimmy has 22 wickets from 6 matches in the UAE at less than 21. From the same 6 matches Broad has 20 wickets at under 23.

And yet they lost 5 and drew 1!!
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Old 8th October 2018, 17:15   #84
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It also shows how Anderson and Broad have really found a way in all conditions. Jimmy has 22 wickets from 6 matches in the UAE at less than 21. From the same 6 matches Broad has 20 wickets at under 23.

And yet they lost 5 and drew 1!!
3 years ago England's spin bowling was pitiful. In 2012 it was the batting that was rubbish as no-one other than at a pinch Matt Prior did anything other than fail from recollection. That said 2012 was noted for Ajmal getting away with something more akin to baseball pitching.
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Old 8th October 2018, 18:06   #85
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... In 2012 it was the batting that was rubbish as no-one other than at a pinch Matt Prior did anything other than fail from recollection...
We took lots of wicket in that series and had our batting been any good we would have been in a position to win all three tests. Also I think Anderson and Broad were the only seamers in our team so they would have shared the seamers' wickets between just the two of them rather than between the seven or however many they always have now.
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Old 8th October 2018, 18:53   #86
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3 years ago England's spin bowling was pitiful. In 2012 it was the batting that was rubbish as no-one other than at a pinch Matt Prior did anything other than fail from recollection. That said 2012 was noted for Ajmal getting away with something more akin to baseball pitching.
It was although currently most spinners have significantly worse away records. I am starting to wonder if shorter tours have a bigger impact on spinners. There is a different bowling speed, line and length in different countries and trying to master that in tests maybe isn't ideal.
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3 years ago England's spin bowling was pitiful..
Nothing much has changed..
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Given they lost 2-0 to Sri Lanka only last year, that is a ballsy argument to make. India did face them in the UAE only last month.
Test matches.

Of course they should also have a home series vs Pakistan to balance it out but it's not a true league at present without these two facing each other.
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Test matches.

Of course they should also have a home series vs Pakistan to balance it out but it's not a true league at present without these two facing each other.
I know you are talking of test matches. But the assertion that India are somehow lucky that they don't have to face Pakistan is based on little evidence.
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I know you are talking of test matches. But the assertion that India are somehow lucky that they don't have to face Pakistan is based on little evidence.
Its the same as if they didn't have to face Oz or England - its a flaw in the current test championship.

They have a greater % of matches against minnows than top teams - which boosts their rankings.
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Its the same as if they didn't have to face Oz or England - its a flaw in the current test championship.
But not as big a flaw as the idea of a world Test championship.
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Its the same as if they didn't have to face Oz or England - its a flaw in the current test championship.

They have a greater % of matches against minnows than top teams - which boosts their rankings.
The last time I checked, Pakistan was 7th weren't they?

And in the current cycle, Pakistan has actually played a Test series in Zimbabwe, India haven't. Both have 2 matches against Bangladesh and one Test earlier this year vs newcomers (Ireland/Afghanistan). So Pakistan has statistically played a higher percentage of matches vs the 'minnows'.

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The last time I checked, Pakistan was 7th weren't they?
Donít confuse Jock with facts or figures.

Itís clearly a flaw in the system that India and Pakistan donít play one another but itís an error, in my view, to suggest that it undermines their number 1 ranking. If anything, theyíve been extremely good at playing away in sub continental conditions or those that resemble them (WI), so missing out on playing (certainly the current) Pakistan in the UAE is probably to their disadvantage. Where the otherwise exceptional recent Indian side has failed has been in touring Aus, SA and England and even then only relatively by the standards of how bad other test sides are away.
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I was surprised to learn that Matt Renshaw wasn’t selected for this match. Apparently he isn’t too popular with Langer. Those of you on Twitter can find out more about this on a radio link through Wisden’s feed. It seems as though Renshaw has a bit of attitude but that seems strange that he gets that treatment nonetheless.
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Didn't Vaughan say that Langer is a bit of a tit?
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Pakistan 100 without loss. Pity only 5 men and a camel watching. Depresses me. Tens of thousands watching 2 feral men scratch each others eyes out for 4 rounds and then the winner fights in the crowd but empty stands and silence here. State of humanity.
I didn't really twig at first, but this test has been scheduled for Sunday to Thursday, whereas the weekend in Dubai is Friday and Saturday.
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Didn't Vaughan say that Langer is a bit of a tit?
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I was surprised to learn that Matt Renshaw wasnít selected for this match. Apparently he isnít too popular with Langer. Those of you on Twitter can find out more about this on a radio link through Wisdenís feed. It seems as though Renshaw has a bit of attitude but that seems strange that he gets that treatment nonetheless.
I only heard pretty good things about renshaw at Somerset.
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Renshaw's absence doesn't seem to be hurting the Aussies as the openers pass 100.
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I was surprised to learn that Matt Renshaw wasnít selected for this match. Apparently he isnít too popular with Langer. Those of you on Twitter can find out more about this on a radio link through Wisdenís feed. It seems as though Renshaw has a bit of attitude but that seems strange that he gets that treatment nonetheless.
Renshaw took a blow to the head while fielding the last match. It was touch and go whether he would be right for the test, but go must've won out.
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