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Old 3rd October 2013, 14:32   #61
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In the new timetable, is there EVER going to be cricket on Saturdays?
Lots of international match days

t20 finals day

The 50 over competition final

Some of the 50 over competition group games, quarter-finals and semi-finals?

The last day of the Leicestershire v India tour match

Can't see there being any County Championship, unless it's the one round during August, or if some counties were to ask to push some of the early round games before t20 starts forward to a Saturday start.
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Old 3rd October 2013, 16:39   #62
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County fans that work all week whinge there is no play on Saturdays. They rarely turn up on Saturday.
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Old 3rd October 2013, 17:27   #63
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County fans that work all week whinge there is no play on Saturdays. They rarely turn up on Saturday.
That's right.
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Old 3rd October 2013, 17:44   #64
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Yes Saturday crowds are 'poor' .. but that's because people have got out of the habit of watching county matches on a Saturday .... when I was young matches started on Saturday & Wednesday so if Saturday looked good 'casual' fans would check if 'their' county were at home .... sadly one of the down sides of 4 day cricket was that the start date moved around ... in at leaset one recent season Yorkshire started a county match on EVERY day of the week .. its got to the stage where even 'the faithful' had to check when matches started

In addition even before the start date moved around the 'usual' day was Wednesday .. which made Saturday day 4 .. & if there wasn't 'bad weather' matches could be over or in their 'death throws' by Saturday.

So when the odd Thurday or Friday start happened in recent years many cricket watchers were used to watching their local league team or spending time with the family.

I just hope that the counties don't just have a single season of Sunday starts ... it takes 2 or 3 years to get people used to looking for matches on that day.
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Old 3rd October 2013, 18:12   #65
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Most county cricket fans are over 60 and so NEVER got out of the habit. LVC is dull unless you love the true game and so 80% of people who attended cricket every season only go to one-dayers. Its what they want. All around the world domestic FC cricket hosts empty grounds.
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Most county cricket fans are over 60 and so NEVER got out of the habit. LVC is dull unless you love the true game and so 80% of people who attended cricket every season only go to one-dayers. Its what they want. All around the world domestic FC cricket hosts empty grounds.
Only because cc games are hosted in grounds not fit for small crowds. I went to cc matches at Guildford, Arundel, Cheltenham, Tunbridge Wells and Wormsley and there were modest, yet decent crowds and a decent atmosphere.
Guess what? Small grounds work well with small crowds. Who'd have thunk it? Not the ECB or the counties. They're all frittering away cash morphing county grounds into soulless stadiums on the off chance the ECB might offer some crumbs from the international table only to discover the numbers don't add up. Just ask Yorkshire.
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Some interesting points.

As Tongo says, Championship cricket can have a very good appeal in the right place, at the right time - that is, usually in the summer holidays, where now hardly any Championship cricket is played or set to be played.

I would think that if a t20 game was staged at the Oval, on Tuesday April 8, 2014, in the middle of the day, the attendance would be pretty poor, to say the least.
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Some interesting points.

As Tongo says, Championship cricket can have a very good appeal in the right place, at the right time - that is, usually in the summer holidays, where now hardly any Championship cricket is played or set to be played.

I would think that if a t20 game was staged at the Oval, on Tuesday April 8, 2014, in the middle of the day, the attendance would be pretty poor, to say the least.
Domestic cricket is not watched by large crowds so it seems daft to host it in stadiums built for large crowds. Would be like my local Football team, Southampton, trying to emulate Barcelona and build a stadium holding 100,000 people only to find that they couldn't fill even half of the seats.
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So a little ground for LVC and a big one for T20?
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So a little ground for LVC and a big one for T20?
Maybe. Problem is we are so far down the road of counties ploughing money into their grounds in order to get international fixtures that the sensible option has gone out of the window. Quite how / why the ECB allowed this ridiculous industry to come to fruition is still beyond me. (Tail wagging the dog and other such idioms come to mind)
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Monday November 25 seems to be a likely date for the fixtures to be released according to the man in the pub.

Not that it's a big deal but I don't know why each year the ECB seems determined to keep the date such a closely-guarded secret.
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Monday November 25 seems to be a likely date for the fixtures to be released according to the man in the pub.

Not that it's a big deal but I don't know why each year the ECB seems determined to keep the date such a closely-guarded secret.
Already looking forward to it!
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Lancashire also saying "end of November" in a news item.
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Apparently some of the counties have already begun their "pre-season".

Rather reminds me of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLJ8ILIE780
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Does anyone think that Leicestershire might win a County Championship game next year, and should there be a point that a county can get relegated into Minor Counties?
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Does anyone think that Leicestershire might win a County Championship game next year, and should there be a point that a county can get relegated into Minor Counties?
Not unless we can find some fast bowlers capable of taking 20 wickets.....or a senior spinner who isn't always injured.....or some batsmen to back up Ned....it'll be a struggle.
And to answer your second point, I hope not!!
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Does anyone think that Leicestershire might win a County Championship game next year, and should there be a point that a county can get relegated into Minor Counties?
On the surface that seems a good idea but the realities are that the gap between first-class and minor counties, both in terms of playing talent and playing facilities, to far too wide. I saw some minor counties cricket last summer and whilst it was interesting to watch it was obvious that there was a difference in class whilst the grounds used are understandably on the limited side. So its not realistic to be truthful.
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On the surface that seems a good idea but the realities are that the gap between first-class and minor counties, both in terms of playing talent and playing facilities, to far too wide. I saw some minor counties cricket last summer and whilst it was interesting to watch it was obvious that there was a difference in class whilst the grounds used are understandably on the limited side. So its not realistic to be truthful.
Fully agree with your point on the quality of the cricket and the ground may not be up to standard but surely the only way to lose the gulf in class is to build more or a pyramid structure, I know for the first few years this will create a large amount of un competitive games but it may work in the long run. I suppose the ECB have tried to make this happen with the Unicorns being put into one day comps but maybe there are other ways too.
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Not unless we can find some fast bowlers capable of taking 20 wickets.....or a senior spinner who isn't always injured.....or some batsmen to back up Ned....it'll be a struggle.
And to answer your second point, I hope not!!
Fully agree the players they have got are far from good enough, (with a few exceptions). Although I have massive respect for Matthew Hoggard perhaps him leave will free up some of his wages to attract more better quality players... but in reality who would want to join?
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Fully agree with your point on the quality of the cricket and the ground may not be up to standard but surely the only way to lose the gulf in class is to build more or a pyramid structure, I know for the first few years this will create a large amount of un competitive games but it may work in the long run. I suppose the ECB have tried to make this happen with the Unicorns being put into one day comps but maybe there are other ways too.
Yeah, I think its a bit odd that the minor counties are almost in a siding in the domestic structure rather than being a link between club cricket and the first class counties. The structure should be changed but I cant see it happening any time soon. As it happens, i'm pondering writing a book about minor counties cricket next summer, basically charting two or three counties across the summer and detailing their experiences. Hoping to get the counties on board as well.
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