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Old 2nd December 2014, 19:23   #121
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If all the people I've ever heard bemoan the lack of Saturday cricket actually turned up on the occasions where play is scheduled for that day, we'd be seeing the kind of attendances that the authorities would find impossible to ignore.
A colleague works a four day week, and has Fridays off.

For the last two years he has moaned non-stop about the lack of any Championship cricket on Saturdays and Sunday League on Sundays. The word 'disgrace' has been used repeatedly.

Not sure I've seen him at The Oval once on a Sunday when Championship cricket is scheduled.
And he moans that all the T20s are on Fridays when he doesn't work- so he has to come up to London for the cricket.
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A colleague works a four day week, and has Fridays off.

For the last two years he has moaned non-stop about the lack of any Championship cricket on Saturdays and Sunday League on Sundays. The word 'disgrace' has been used repeatedly.

Not sure I've seen him at The Oval once on a Sunday when Championship cricket is scheduled.
And he moans that all the T20s are on Fridays when he doesn't work- so he has to come up to London for the cricket.
This very much mirrors my experiences, Arthur.

I've written on here before about the Saturday of the Surrey v Middx game in August 2012. A tight day's cricket in prospect and a result guaranteed with spinners likely to feature heavily. Gorgeous blue-sky weather with the temperature in the upper 20s. A state of the art venue smack bang in the centre of the biggest city in Europe. Everything in place to entice a big crowd for a thrilling day out. About 200 of us turned up.
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This very much mirrors my experiences, Arthur.

I've written on here before about the Saturday of the Surrey v Middx game in August 2012. A tight day's cricket in prospect and a result guaranteed with spinners likely to feature heavily. Gorgeous blue-sky weather with the temperature in the upper 20s. A state of the art venue smack bang in the centre of the biggest city in Europe. Everything in place to entice a big crowd for a thrilling day out. About 200 of us turned up.
I think I saw at least part of every day of that match. The Saturday was also the first day of the football season, and when I left for football the match appeared virtually over with Middx seven wickets down and still about 150 short of their target.

Surrey have three CC matches with play on Saturdays next year, but two of those are in August just as the football season is kicking in. The other is the one mentioned by Paulsre earlier which is sandwiched by a T20 game on Cardiff on the Friday (which probably means a noon start on the Saturday at The Oval) and another T20 immediately afterwards on the Wednesday. Madness.
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I think I saw at least part of every day of that match. The Saturday was also the first day of the football season, and when I left for football the match appeared virtually over with Middx seven wickets down and still about 150 short of their target.

Surrey have three CC matches with play on Saturdays next year, but two of those are in August just as the football season is kicking in. The other is the one mentioned by Paulsre earlier which is sandwiched by a T20 game on Cardiff on the Friday (which probably means a noon start on the Saturday at The Oval) and another T20 immediately afterwards on the Wednesday. Madness.
I did a half-day on the Thursday, bunked a sickie on the Friday and was there throughout Saturday. I forgot the rule about tea being deferred at 9 wickets down so had to sneak to the top of the OCS Stand to have a fag without missing any play.

I accept that it's defeating to have the bulk of Saturday play during the start of the footie season. But are all those who cry for Saturday play absent at football or just finding some other reason not to attend?
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Surrey have three CC matches with play on Saturdays next year, but two of those are in August just as the football season is kicking in. The other is the one mentioned by Paulsre earlier which is sandwiched by a T20 game on Cardiff on the Friday (which probably means a noon start on the Saturday at The Oval) and another T20 immediately afterwards on the Wednesday. Madness.
The irony is that the "appointment to view", with the idea of Sunday starts for CC giving a day's break after a Friday evening t20 match starts to unravel as the t20 actually gets going. There are too many matches to fit in to keep to it.

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But are all those who cry for Saturday play absent at football or just finding some other reason not to attend?
We've covered this before extensively and interestingly, and I think it all comes back to your central point that there simply isn't an untapped market of county cricket watchers who would come if only the fixture list was somehow different.
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I have a situation where I am a notts country member (live in manchester/have a notts season ticket) So a decent fixture list is important for me to be able to renew.

In fairness this year I renewed to help me get hold of ashes tickets at TB but I was at least hoping of a slightly better fixture list than has been released.

T20s on a Friday night are useless to me without taking holiday, although I do get to see Notts at Old Trafford this year. 50 over games seem targeted at the school holidays crowd, midweek games which again without holidays I cant attend. The only 2 Saturday 50 over games are not even being played at Trent Bridge but on the outskirts of Mansfield.

That would be fine if you could even make a weekend out of it, notts is a 40 minute train journey, Sheffield is even further so unless I fancy Mansfield that really is pick one of the days and drive (I do like a beer with my cricket so that's an annoyance)

As for the 4 days, I can see one weekend with a Saturday game (tell a lie another has a day 4 Saturday!!). Sundays I can drive to depending on if its raining or not, no point doing a 200 mile round trip to sit in the rain and cant even make the use of the bars! If there were games starting on the Saturday I would at least have the option of staying on the Saturday night and watching 2 days of cricket. Surely better for the club and the local economy?

Next year I am going to have to think long and hard about my season ticket, I just hope I can see the fixtures before being pushed into buying a season ticket to ensure I get international tickets. Bit sneaky this year from notts but with it being the Ashes I guess I had to bite the bullet!
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I have a situation where I am a notts country member (live in manchester/have a notts season ticket) So a decent fixture list is important for me to be able to renew.

In fairness this year I renewed to help me get hold of ashes tickets at TB but I was at least hoping of a slightly better fixture list than has been released.

T20s on a Friday night are useless to me without taking holiday, although I do get to see Notts at Old Trafford this year. 50 over games seem targeted at the school holidays crowd, midweek games which again without holidays I cant attend. The only 2 Saturday 50 over games are not even being played at Trent Bridge but on the outskirts of Mansfield.

That would be fine if you could even make a weekend out of it, notts is a 40 minute train journey, Sheffield is even further so unless I fancy Mansfield that really is pick one of the days and drive (I do like a beer with my cricket so that's an annoyance)

As for the 4 days, I can see one weekend with a Saturday game (tell a lie another has a day 4 Saturday!!). Sundays I can drive to depending on if its raining or not, no point doing a 200 mile round trip to sit in the rain and cant even make the use of the bars! If there were games starting on the Saturday I would at least have the option of staying on the Saturday night and watching 2 days of cricket. Surely better for the club and the local economy?

Next year I am going to have to think long and hard about my season ticket, I just hope I can see the fixtures before being pushed into buying a season ticket to ensure I get international tickets. Bit sneaky this year from notts but with it being the Ashes I guess I had to bite the bullet!
Were you there in 2010 as well?

Never realised it was so quick between Notts and Manc. I used to go over from Sheff to Manc on the train and would have just assumed it took longer from Notts.

I live south of Derby and also have the problem that it almost always makes more sense to drive due to how the fixtures fall than use public transport, thus denying me the pleasure of numerous pints as well.
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T20s on a Friday night are useless to me without taking holiday, although I do get to see Notts at Old Trafford this year. 50 over games seem targeted at the school holidays crowd, midweek games which again without holidays I cant attend. The only 2 Saturday 50 over games are not even being played at Trent Bridge but on the outskirts of Mansfield.

That would be fine if you could even make a weekend out of it, notts is a 40 minute train journey, Sheffield is even further so unless I fancy Mansfield that really is pick one of the days and drive (I do like a beer with my cricket so that's an annoyance)
The two 50-over games at Welbeck are over the weekend of 25th and 26th July against Warwickshire and Glamorgan respectively.
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Were you there in 2010 as well?

Never realised it was so quick between Notts and Manc. I used to go over from Sheff to Manc on the train and would have just assumed it took longer from Notts.

I live south of Derby and also have the problem that it almost always makes more sense to drive due to how the fixtures fall than use public transport, thus denying me the pleasure of numerous pints as well.
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If there were games starting on the Saturday I would at least have the option of staying on the Saturday night and watching 2 days of cricket. Surely better for the club and the local economy?
An interesting point.

Last year I found a perfect opportunity for this at Canterbury, with Kent having a t20 game on the Friday, and the Championship game starting the following day at noon.

While perhaps not ideal for the players (though of course infinitely better than playing on the Friday at one location and then the Saturday at another) it did allow for a great weekend cricket trip. With so many blank Saturdays coupled with teams jolting around the country from a t20 fixture to a following Championship game there aren't many of these opportunities, but I don't think this sort of market is at all considered by the planners.
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Things might have changed now, I'm going back nearly 15 years. I didn't mind the travel time as it was a very scenic journey. But then so is the Snake Pass in the car when the weather is good. except I'm usually the one behind the wheel so can't gaze at it quite as much as I'd like!!

The Robin Hood line between Nottingham and the Sop is pure murder though. Takes 40mins tops in the car, takes over an hour and fifteen on the train and boy do you feel every minute of it. Especially if you've had a few and want to get back for a few more...
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"Were you there in 2010 as well?"

Yeah, I think if I recall rightly I had a room at the old Trafford lodge, I do remember getting some stick from the lancs fans as my notts shirt had “Yorkshire bank” as its sponsor. I just waved them out of the ground as I sat on my balcony drinking a beer. Pretty sure we lost though!

"Never realised it was so quick between Notts and Manc. I used to go over from Sheff to Manc on the train and would have just assumed it took longer from Notts. "

Unfortunately if you go by train it takes 2 hours as you have to go through sheff, have done the commute from sheff to notts and its not the quick journey that it should be!

"The two 50-over games at Welbeck are over the weekend of 25th and 26th July against Warwickshire and Glamorgan respectively."

Yup which I believe is in Mansfield woodhouse? not the best venue to attract a large notts crowd in my opinion.

"Last year I found a perfect opportunity for this at Canterbury, with Kent having a t20 game on the Friday, and the Championship game starting the following day at noon."

I did that at notts for T20 on a Friday night and then Saturday/Sunday for the LVCC, makes for a fun cricketing weekend and the car was left at home!

If test cricketers can handle 5 day games, county cricketers could surely handle T20 Fridays and 4 day starting Saturday, it would give them longer recovery time as well.
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If test cricketers can handle 5 day games, county cricketers could surely handle T20 Fridays and 4 day starting Saturday, it would give them longer recovery time as well.
They can and do. The issue by all accounts is that if they've just hit the winning runs or whatever at 9.45pm they're too pumped up to simply hit the sack at 11pm - they end up awake until 2-3am, which obviously isn't great even to be at the ground in time for a noon start the next day.
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Things might have changed now, I'm going back nearly 15 years. I didn't mind the travel time as it was a very scenic journey. But then so is the Snake Pass in the car when the weather is good. except I'm usually the one behind the wheel so can't gaze at it quite as much as I'd like!!

The Robin Hood line between Nottingham and the Sop is pure murder though. Takes 40mins tops in the car, takes over an hour and fifteen on the train and boy do you feel every minute of it. Especially if you've had a few and want to get back for a few more...
My trek to Canterbury used to be an effort, especially when I moved over to the dark side of the Estuary. But since the HS1, it's not only an hour quicker each way, it's actually cheaper - because I can travel after peak time and spend less on the tube. It was very nice of them to undertake such a vast project for the 5 or 6 Kent fans living in metropolitan Essex.
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Revisiting the Saturdays topic, I have been trying to plan my cricket watching for next year and wondered why it was so hard to find times when there was a good choice of cricket across entire weekends.

Here is how the season looks for each Saturday (also noting blank Sundays)

April 4: no cricket on the Sunday

April 11: no cricket on the Saturday

April 18: no cricket on the Saturday

April 25: no cricket on the Saturday

May 2: Middlesex start on the Saturday, but all other games start on the Sunday.

May 9: Somerset v New Zealand across the weekend, Warwickshire start on the Saturday, all other games start on the Sunday.

May 16: Worcestershire v New Zealand across the weekend, one t20 match on the Saturday.

May 23: Lord's Test, nothing else on the Saturday.

May 30: Headingley Test, nothing else on the Saturday

June 6: Leicestershire v New Zealand on Saturday, one t20 game on the Saturday.

June 13: one t20 game on the Saturday.

June 20: England ODI, Northants CC game starts on the Saturday, all other games start on the Sunday.

June 27: one t20 game, Varsity match, Surrey v Gloucestershire CC starts on Saturday (after playing in Cardiff the night before) other games start on Sunday.

July 4: one t20 game on the Saturday

July 11: last day of one CC game, first day of one other, nothing else.

July 18: several games in progress!

July 25: last day of Derbyshire v Australia, nothing else.

August 1: 3rd Ashes Test, nothing else.

August 8: Loads of cricket!

August 15: Northants v Australians across the weekend, nothing else except one t20 QF.

August 22: loads of cricket!

August 29: t20 Blast final (nothing else)

September 5: England ODI, nothing else.

September 12: loads of cricket!

September 19: RL Cup final (nothing else)

Any thoughts?
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Durham have 6 potential Saturdays for play -

Middlesex (A) Day 1 of CC.
Birmingham Bears (H) T20
Northants (A) RL Trophy
Yorkshire (A) Day 2 of CC
Middlesex (H) Day 2 of CC
Notts (A) Day 4 of CC

So just 2 Saturdays at home.
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The irony is that the "appointment to view", with the idea of Sunday starts for CC giving a day's break after a Friday evening t20 match starts to unravel as the t20 actually gets going. There are too many matches to fit in to keep to it.
I don't think it's "too many matches", more down to Sky Sports moving T20 games to different dates when it suits them.

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We've covered this before extensively and interestingly, and I think it all comes back to your central point that there simply isn't an untapped market of county cricket watchers who would come if only the fixture list was somehow different.
I guess a lot of people just like to know there are games for them to attend on a Saturday if the weather is nice, or they haven't got anything better to do; they're literally fairweather fans. But it doesn't help that Saturday play occurs so infrequently that people probably don't expect it when there is some, other than the likes of us on here who've already been analysing the fixtures lists and making diary entries.
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Revisiting the Saturdays topic, I have been trying to plan my cricket watching for next year and wondered why it was so hard to find times when there was a good choice of cricket across entire weekends.

Here is how the season looks for each Saturday (also noting blank Sundays)

......

Any thoughts?
Saturday is the day that matters for the Sunday newspapers.

Whilst the daily printed press isn't read nearly as much, it's still influential in forming opinions and more so for the Sundays.

By having no match reports in the Sundays (the one day where the newspapers have extra space to fill) and no presence of terrestrial TV, the marginalisation of cricket continues at pace.
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Surely that survey the ECB asked us to fill in a couple of seasons ago indicated we would like to see some cricket on saturdays. Im not sure how the ECB thinktank got out of the responses that the general cricket following public want matches to start on Sundays or during the week.

I think they have got the T20s right, as much as it pains me that I cant make them, but the rest really needs looking at again.
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More cricket on Saturdays would be preferable for those of us who are in full time employment. We are, however very much in the minority, when you look at County membership figures. I remember looking at the breakdown of members by category for Notts last year, and being surprised just how small was the % of full members. I guess most retired or Junior members actually prefer their cricket during the week, leaving their weekends free for other things.
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