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Old 21st February 2019, 08:24   #1
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Afghanistan v Ireland series thread

First full tour between these two sides with 3 T20Is, 5 ODIs and a single test.

First match today, I think Ireland may be starting to transition to more youthful players as their golden generation comes to a close. Be interesting to see how they get on.
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Old 23rd February 2019, 18:35   #2
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Afghanistan comfortably take the T20 series after crushing the Irish today by scoring 278/3 to follow on from a simple 5 wicket win in the first match on Thursday.
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Old 23rd February 2019, 19:35   #3
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seems like Afghanistan are improving steadily but Ireland are standing still/ getting worse - they need some young quality coming through.
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Old 24th February 2019, 19:22   #4
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Afghanistan wrap up a 3-0 victory in the T20 part of the tour. Rashid Khan ends with figures of 11/73 across the three matches!
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Old 24th February 2019, 20:18   #5
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I would have thought Afghanistan are quite comfortably superior to Ireland in all forms of the game but after a few shocks in other formats you never know?
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Old 24th February 2019, 21:16   #6
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I would have thought Afghanistan are quite comfortably superior to Ireland in all forms of the game but after a few shocks in other formats you never know?
The Irish arguably have more useful experience in test and particularly FC cricket than the Afghans but itís obvious which side has the greater talent. Doubt the ODIs will be close but perhaps the test will be interesting.
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Old 25th February 2019, 11:33   #7
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Do Ireland have the depth if George Dockrell is coming in at no.5?
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Old 25th February 2019, 13:03   #8
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I would have thought Afghanistan are quite comfortably superior to Ireland in all forms of the game but after a few shocks in other formats you never know?
Shouldn't that be the measure by which a side is granted Test status, that they're not producing shocks but competing to a reasonable standard so they aren't shocks anymore...........?

You wouldn't expect newbies to win lots of Tests when new to the fold, and clearly they will struggle to get the matches until such a time as tiers or a proper structure where you have to play all sides (in tier or group) are enforced.

Afghans and Irish have played one Test each, both lost, Afghans at least dared to go to India and then got bowled out for only just over 100 each innings, whilst Ireland plumped for Pakistan at home and got bowled out for not a lot over 100 in the 1st innings.....

Some will claim Ireland were competitive, but for the fact the sides were 71/3, 73/8, 95/4 and 14/3 in the innings 1-4 before reaching 100 showing early help in each innings, the relative narrowness of the margin would not have been ie Pakistan were always likely to lose 1-3 early wickets as everyone did in that Test

Ireland never reached 100 for less than 4 wickets down, Pakistan were never worse off than 100/3


Anyway, it's sad that they're playing each other in so many short format matches and only one Test, although that's in part their own silly fault putting it in a World Cup year.....
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Old 25th February 2019, 13:04   #9
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Afghanistan comfortably take the T20 series after crushing the Irish today by scoring 278/3 to follow on from a simple 5 wicket win in the first match on Thursday.
Apparently the highest score in T20Is
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Old 1st March 2019, 07:10   #10
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Afghanistan cruise to a five wicket victory in the first ODI. This tour is getting ugly for Ireland, can they reverse their fortunes?
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Najibullah Zadran becomes the 18th player to hit an ODI hundred from 7 or lower in the batting order.
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Najibullah Zadran becomes the 18th player to hit an ODI hundred from 7 or lower in the batting order.
But Ireland finally win!
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Old 15th March 2019, 08:56   #13
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Ireland just about able to hold their own in the one day series against their fellow newbs, but bit disastrous in the Test.

Ireland are 85/8, yes EIGHTY-FIVE for EIGHT with only Stirling (26) and Kevin O'Brien (12) reaching double figures, only the one duck surprisingly given the score, and the wickets spread around a bit.

The Irish are battling away though, most balls faced (48) Dockrell on 11no and Cameron-Dow (30) joint second most balls faced is on 9no adding 16 for the 9th wicket, only the third double figure partnership and still some way behind the opening partnership of 37.

Reinforces the view that Ireland weren't ready to be playing Tests, it's a farce for both nations to play only their second Test about a year after their debuts although I do believe Afghanistan might make a decent half fist of it. Surprising as you might have thought the Irish with their past history of mercs and their World Cup exploits of the past, added to their players using the English county championship might make an ideal addition to the elite in the various formats.

Maybe the truth is the election of these countries is far too political and the countries elevated need to either be done sooner or be someone else. If they were to bring down the barriers and go with tiered cricket there'd be some hope of making cricket more global and no dallying over getting sides doing well into the fold way too late for them to enter in their pomp.

Might not be enough money in it, but these countries will play cricket anyway and with some financial management to make sure the money brought in from eg World Cup, any TV income and even the Ashes finds some go to the countries that need it.
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Now 86/9, Cameron-Dow second top balls faced but out one shy of double figures.

Murtagh last man in, 10 now needed (90/9) to bring up the 100 which I'd think Ireland would have wanted to come up no more than 3 down not 3x that (if they make it then it will be for 9 down)
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Ireland just about able to hold their own in the one day series against their fellow newbs, but bit disastrous in the Test.

Ireland are 85/8, yes EIGHTY-FIVE for EIGHT with only Stirling (26) and Kevin O'Brien (12) reaching double figures, only the one duck surprisingly given the score, and the wickets spread around a bit.

The Irish are battling away though, most balls faced (48) Dockrell on 11no and Cameron-Dow (30) joint second most balls faced is on 9no adding 16 for the 9th wicket, only the third double figure partnership and still some way behind the opening partnership of 37.

Reinforces the view that Ireland weren't ready to be playing Tests, it's a farce for both nations to play only their second Test about a year after their debuts although I do believe Afghanistan might make a decent half fist of it. Surprising as you might have thought the Irish with their past history of mercs and their World Cup exploits of the past, added to their players using the English county championship might make an ideal addition to the elite in the various formats.

Maybe the truth is the election of these countries is far too political and the countries elevated need to either be done sooner or be someone else. If they were to bring down the barriers and go with tiered cricket there'd be some hope of making cricket more global and no dallying over getting sides doing well into the fold way too late for them to enter in their pomp.

Might not be enough money in it, but these countries will play cricket anyway and with some financial management to make sure the money brought in from eg World Cup, any TV income and even the Ashes finds some go to the countries that need it.
Would England or Australia fare any better against this attack in these conditions though?
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Would England or Australia fare any better against this attack in these conditions though?
Afghanistan have also not batted yet.

Murtagh top scores from number 11. Was Harmison the last person to do that in tests?
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Would England or Australia fare any better against this attack in these conditions though?
A theoretical question subject to conjecture.

Maybe, maybe not, but conditions aside you'd have to also throw in the quality of the opponents and this is Afghanistan not India..........



Most of my contention as to whether Ireland should have been given Test status is overall, conditions in their only other Test contributing to why that appeared relatively 'close', but generally teams seem to be given Test status and only one in the past 40 years has gone on to be something of a force when a crop of good and very good players came through, and once that generation passed through into retirement there wasn't much left.

So it is a question of sustainability, a clear advantage having been around for 30-40 years or more for most, domestic structure a factor but are the likes of Zimbabwe, Bangladesh, Ireland and even Afghanistan ever seriously going to be able to mix it with sides with better structures and resources on a long term?

That's why football has divisions, teams rise and fall, but play at their current level. Pitting those four named sides, the newbies, against sides like India, England, South Africa and Australia is going to see a division within what passes for a (top) division currently


Throw a kid in water for the first time you don't ask them to swim 20+ lengths you start them in the shallow not deep end and work on swimming the breadth of the pool not length(s). Ireland may have the access (currently) for their players to play in England, but their resource pool is around 5m with obvious access to mercs same as other countries, but even if they retain the services of those might otherwise play and be discarded by England, their strength is not likely to be on an even keel with others.


Like any suggestion MLS will rise in football, too many factors suggest popularity will rise and fall more than their traditional domestic sports.

I prefer to see even contests, which this may prove in the end, not mismatches where one side would rather not be playing the other and afford them limited opportunities to play/tour. Similar to say a League One side in England wanting to play Man Utd, Man City or Liverpool in friendlies or draw them in the cup(s) Only reason the big clubs would want them in the cup is potentially easy progress, the desire to play very much with the weaker side.
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