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Old 17th October 2007, 01:00   #321
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Thanks for the tip MF - next time they haven't updated for a while I'll check out those date specific rankings.

Wow - for that brief instant in time (7 October) all of the top 5 ODI batsmen were Aussies!
Aaarrrgghhh. What a horrible day.
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Old 17th October 2007, 01:09   #322
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ODI Rankings for 14 October 2007

Batsmen

1 - Ponting
2 - Symonds
3 - Hayden
5 - Hussey
8 - Clarke
11 - Gilchrist
51 - Katich
72 - Watson
80 - Haddin
91 - Hodge

Bowlers

3 - Bracken
7 - Hogg
9 - Lee
35 - Johnson
40 - Clark
41 - Tait
57 - Watson
96 - Symonds
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Old 17th October 2007, 01:11   #323
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FFS, that's disgusting. It's only McGrath's retirement that kept Australia from having 4 top 10 bowlers in there too. Remind me how competitive the international 50 over game is again.
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Old 17th October 2007, 01:17   #324
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FFS, that's disgusting. It's only McGrath's retirement that kept Australia from having 4 top 10 bowlers in there too. Remind me how competitive the international 50 over game is again.
Before long Johnson, Tait and Clark will be in the top 10 as well.
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Old 17th October 2007, 01:52   #325
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Before long Johnson, Tait and Clark will be in the top 10 as well.
Now that I doubt. It's hard enough having 4 front line bowlers in the top 10, let alone more than that. The others just don't play enough games.
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Old 17th October 2007, 10:22   #326
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I cant see Tait getting into the Top 10
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Old 30th October 2007, 18:18   #327
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ICC Cricket ODI Rankings 29 October 2007 (last 14.10.07)

Batting

5 (-1) - Pietersen
22 (+1) - Bell
26 (-) - Collingwood
41 (+1) - Trescothick
45 (-1) - Flintoff
45 (-1) - Strauss
77 (+1) - Cook
84 (+2) - Shah
87 (+2) - Jones
93 (-) - Solanki

Bowling

11 (+1) - Flintoff
15 (-) - Anderson
47 (-1) - Broad
62 (-1) - Plunkett
64 (-1) - Panesar
70 (-1) - Collingwood
71 (-1) - Gough
71 (-1) - Lewis
89 (-2) - Mahmood
90 (-2) - Sidebottom


Still waiting

Batting
108 (+4) - Bopara
136 (-2) - Prior
181 (-6) - Broad
183 (-5) - Mustard
199 (-4) - Swann
222 (-) - Mascarenhas
255 (-5) - Panesar
270 (-5) - Anderson
288 (-6) - Wright
300 (-7) - Sidebottom
306 (-8) - Tremlett


Bowling
111 (-) - Mascarenhas
125 (-1) - Swann
172 (+1) - Tremlett
191 (-1) - Bopara
203 (-1) - Pietersen
212 (-2) - Bell
245 (-5) - Shah
291 (-10) - Wright
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Old 31st October 2007, 02:45   #328
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Anderson's still a higher ranked batsman than Luke Wright.
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Old 31st October 2007, 18:32   #329
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Anderson's still a higher ranked batsman than Luke Wright.
15 behind Monty though.
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What's Darren Gough doing in the one day rankings. he hasn't played for years.
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Old 31st October 2007, 19:25   #331
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Twas 14 months since he last played (people seem to forget his recall for the Pakistan series last year). Think it's 18 months before a player is removed
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Batsmen


5 (-) - Pietersen
15 (-) - Collingwood
18 (-1) - Cook
21 (-) - Bell
22 (-) - Strauss
25 (-) - Trescothick
27 (-) - Vaughan
35 (+1) - Flintoff
77 (-2) - Prior
81 (+1) - Jones
95 (-) - Shah
98 (-) - Read

Bowlers

7 (-) - Hoggard
13 (-1) - Flintoff
16 (-2) - Panesar
27 (-3) - Harmison
35 (-2) - Anderson
43 (+1) - Sidebottom
48 (+1) - Tremlett
55 (+2) - Plunkett
57 (+2) - Mahmood
74 (-)- Collingwood
81 (-) - Lewis
83 (-) - Vaughan
93 (-1) - Pietersen

Batting
1 Ponting 2 Kallis 3 Yousuf 4 Sangakkara 5 Pietersen 6 Hussey 7 Khan 8 Hayden 9 Chanderpaul 10 Dravid

Bowling
1 Murali 2 Ntini 3 Clark 4 Bond 5 Pollock 6 Kumble 7 Hoggard 8 Steyn 8 Lee 10 Akhtar
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Bit of a strange top 10 for the bowlers. Pollock's been dropped, NZ hardly play Test cricket and Bond even less so, Hoggard's missed most of the summer, Akhtar's been banned, Clark's played 10 matches, Kumble's 37 and Brett Lee is very inconsistent. Some fantastic batsmen in their top 10 though
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Bit of a strange top 10 for the bowlers. Pollock's been dropped, NZ hardly play Test cricket and Bond even less so, Hoggard's missed most of the summer, Akhtar's been banned, Clark's played 10 matches, Kumble's 37 and Brett Lee is very inconsistent. Some fantastic batsmen in their top 10 though
The bowling is loony tunes isn't it? It's not clear than Ntini is the player he was either and good though he certainly has been at times in his career, second best in the world flatters him rather a lot, I feel. The world fast bowling stocks are sadly unimpressive at the moment, which is part of the reason why those batsmen look so strong.
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Yes, it's instructive to look at the list of bowlers just outside the top ten: - Zaheer, Collymore, Flintoff, Panesar, Martin, Vaas, Franklin, Asif to name but a few.

Monty had a struggle vs India to lower his rating, Flintoff has been injured, Asif was suspended and so it goes. Many of the top ten seem to be there almost by default!
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Yes, it's instructive to look at the list of bowlers just outside the top ten: - Zaheer, Collymore, Flintoff, Panesar, Martin, Vaas, Franklin, Asif to name but a few.

Monty had a struggle vs India to lower his rating, Flintoff has been injured, Asif was suspended and so it goes. Many of the top ten seem to be there almost by default!
I know what you mean but the thing is I'm not sure the bowlers just outside the top 10 are that great either. Asif is a very promising young bowler but hasn't played 15 tests yet and has missed some (injured though, certainly not suspended for being a drugs cheat as he was just a country boy and didn't know what he was doing). Vaas is pretty old now and has never been that effective outside the Indian subcontinent. Panesar is a finger spinner so needs to be able to bat and field to influence many test matches. To be honest, only Flintoff and Asif of that list are bowlers I think deserve top 10 slots. Collymore, Franklin and Martin are lucky to be to be in the top 20.
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To be honest, only Flintoff and Asif of that list are bowlers I think deserve top 10 slots. Collymore, Franklin and Martin are lucky to be to be in the top 20.
That was my point, FS, that when you look at those knocking on the door of the top-10, it becomes evident that the top bowlers are there because there are precious few others!

Didn't Asif miss a game or two because of the drug test failure? Must have been injury, then.
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That was my point, FS, that when you look at those knocking on the door of the top-10, it becomes evident that the top bowlers are there because there are precious few others!

Didn't Asif miss a game or two because of the drug test failure? Must have been injury, then.
I don't think Asif missed any tests. He did miss some ODIs although I think that was put down rather conveniently to injury.

The bowling stocks are pretty empty aren't they? Some of it is clearly to do with the batsmen friendly wickets and perhaps a bit more to some very good batsmen making it difficult to be a bowler. I can't help but feel that there just isn't the quality there in test attacks though, in the main, especially in the pace department.
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Just looking at the fast bowlers only

1. 78 matches 316 wickets - 27.65 - Ntini
2. 10 matches 51 wickets - 18.78 - Clark
3. 17 matches 79 wickets - 22.39 - Bond
4. 107 matches 416 wickets - 23.19 - Pollock
5. 64 matches 240 wickets - 30.03 - Hoggard
6. 14 matches 61 wickets - 26.88 - Steyn
7. 60 matches 239 wickets - 31.01 - Lee
8. 43 matches 169 wickets - 25.30 - Akhtar
9. 50 matches 160 wickets - 33.33 - Khan
10 99 matches 320 wickets - 29.44 - Vaas
11 11 matches 51 wickets - 23.13 - Asif
12 21 matches 76 wickets - 28.19 - Franklin
13 25 matches 91 wickets - 30.79 - Pathan
14 34 matches 110 wickets - 34.16 - Martin
15 16 matches 67 wickets - 31.55 - Gul
16 11 matches 46 wickets - 28.23 - Sreesanth
17 30 matches 104 wickets - 31.85 - Nel
18 54 matches 205 wickets - 30.82 - Harmison
19 24 matches 83 wickets - 30.73 - Malinga
20 27 matches 78 wickets - 31.64 - Fernando

3 years ago the top 10 bowlers were

1 Harmison 2 Pollock 3 Murali 4 Akhtar 5 McGrath 6 Gillespie 7 Kumble 8 Warne 9 Vaas 10 Ntini
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The bowling stocks are pretty empty aren't they? Some of it is clearly to do with the batsmen friendly wickets and perhaps a bit more to some very good batsmen making it difficult to be a bowler. I can't help but feel that there just isn't the quality there in test attacks though, in the main, especially in the pace department.
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3 years ago the top 10 bowlers were

1 Harmison 2 Pollock 3 Murali 4 Akhtar 5 McGrath 6 Gillespie 7 Kumble 8 Warne 9 Vaas 10 Ntini
And 6 years ago the top 10 were:
1 G.D. McGrath
2 S.M. Pollock
3 M. Muralidaran
4 A.A. Donald
5 D. Gough
6 S.K. Warne
7 Saqlain Mushtaq
8 Waqar Younis
9 C.L. Cairns
10 H.H. Streak

The top 10 has always been a mixture of top class bowlers with a few 'others' thrown in. I dont think today's is all that much worse than some others in the last 10 or so years, particularly given that two of the best ever have just retired.

And don't forget, it took McGrath more than 3 years before he cracked the ICC top 10. After 8 Tests he was averaging >43.
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