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Old 14th October 2017, 17:22   #141
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The test championship doesn ot mean that each of the 9 nations will play each other in the 2 year cycle. That number has been limited to 6, which makes sense but also helps India wriggle out of a certain situation.

With all this talk, the ICC still havent revealed info on scoring systems and so on . A long way to go still.
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Old 15th October 2017, 09:17   #142
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Ireland haven’t even played a test yet - nothing wrong with having a second tier.
It'll all end in tiers, always does

Does seem a bit odd to give them and Afghanistan Test status then have a 9 team championship confirmed within months, not that I thought giving them Test status was a great idea given they are both competing at the lower end of that 9 team set up in ODIs and this is a lot different as Bangladesh well know.

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Apparently though these 6 test “series” can be single tests !
Doubt many will venture from the tried and trusted, too much risk in saying England playing one Test in Bangladesh, and doubt they'd want to play them in 3+ .

aussies and England won't want to dilute the Ashes, might see the odd Test lopped off here and there like maybe England vs South Africa

Regardless if India avoid Pakistan or not, and other considerations as to making it "perfect", it's a lot better than a pointless ranking system. At least there is an end, some kind of structure even if components are non-standardised and it isn't completely round robin.

And like many things it will need tweaking, to find out if it works and how well you need to test it, my main fear is some of the teams involved may not give it much of a chance to work or evolve
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Old 15th October 2017, 09:26   #143
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4 day tests? What a barrel of sh!te!
To be fair a lot of innings don't make it much past 100-120 overs, and frankly those that go much past can make for a one sided (non) contest

It could add a new (tactical) spark to the game as well, sides piling on 600+ and declaring would do so at their own risk so the captain may have to consider earlier declarations than he may normally want to give his side the chance to bowl the opposition out twice.

May also bring in more hope when a side looks dead and gone with last wicket(s) resistance to hold on doggedly for a draw, reduce the impact of the wearing wicket (although arguably that's a negative) and maybe the home side will prepare result wickets although it could just make it easier to kill off a series with a flat wicket.


One thing is for sure, we can theorise until the cows come home what it will be like, but there's only one way to know............. ie try it. We've had so many changes to formats of the game what is another? Timeless Tests went, 8 ball overs went, there are so many bits added to ODIs which have been 60 overs and 55, would be a shame though if they were reduced to 40.

And it could level the playing field a bit more, although whilst I doubt I'm that close to being a purist I wouldn't like the fact that records would remain as one with the various changes - for starters more potential runs and wickets surely with an extra day (for individuals)
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Old 15th October 2017, 19:04   #144
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Old 16th October 2017, 11:40   #145
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I am totally against the idea of 4 days tests. We have just seen in the recent Pak/SL series and many series beyond, the type of drama the fifth day of a test can bring. Pak v Australia earlier this year is another fine example. Or how about Eng/SA 3rd test where SA either had to survive ar chase and although it ended in a collapse, we witnessed a gutsy century from Elgar.


All of that drama would disappear with 4 day tests.
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Old 16th October 2017, 14:26   #146
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Drama may take place on the last day of a 4 day test, I suppose.

Is there any proposal for more overs to be bowled or are we looking at tests with a maximum of 360 overs?
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Old 16th October 2017, 14:57   #147
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To be fair a lot of innings don't make it much past 100-120 overs, and frankly those that go much past can make for a one sided (non) contest

It could add a new (tactical) spark to the game as well, sides piling on 600+ and declaring would do so at their own risk so the captain may have to consider earlier declarations than he may normally want to give his side the chance to bowl the opposition out twice.

May also bring in more hope when a side looks dead and gone with last wicket(s) resistance to hold on doggedly for a draw, reduce the impact of the wearing wicket (although arguably that's a negative) and maybe the home side will prepare result wickets although it could just make it easier to kill off a series with a flat wicket.


One thing is for sure, we can theorise until the cows come home what it will be like, but there's only one way to know............. ie try it. We've had so many changes to formats of the game what is another? Timeless Tests went, 8 ball overs went, there are so many bits added to ODIs which have been 60 overs and 55, would be a shame though if they were reduced to 40.

And it could level the playing field a bit more, although whilst I doubt I'm that close to being a purist I wouldn't like the fact that records would remain as one with the various changes - for starters more potential runs and wickets surely with an extra day (for individuals)
I cant see how it would affect records any more than so many other changes to cricket through history. Tests have been scheduled for 3,4,5,6 days as well as timeless with 5-7 hours of daily play featuring from 10 to 25 overs per hour with or without overtime on covered or uncovered or even artificial pitches with the ball becoming smaller, the bats bigger, boundaries shorter, helmets coming in, poor light going out, the LB law changed etc etc.

This is a nothing change. In fact, I would argue its a change than changes less than changing nothing because of other changes......

Lets compare to the gold standard of modern cricket, the 2005 ashes series. The three results matches were essentially 3-day cricket ( and thus great) making the 4/5 day debate irellevant. But what about the two draws? Surely they prove the need for 5 days? Not really because floodlights and improved drainage would have meant far less overs lost.

If we stay at 5 days, the draw will become extinct. Is that great? Not in my opinion. Its a unique thing to cricket, having a draw as different from a tie. The two draws were both fantastic, one being a 7-hour battle for Australia to escape with nine wickets down, the other being england counter-attacking recklessly in the third innings robbing australia of the time need to win the game.

Losing all this is a far bigger change
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Old 16th October 2017, 15:02   #148
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I am totally against the idea of 4 days tests. We have just seen in the recent Pak/SL series and many series beyond, the type of drama the fifth day of a test can bring. Pak v Australia earlier this year is another fine example. Or how about Eng/SA 3rd test where SA either had to survive ar chase and although it ended in a collapse, we witnessed a gutsy century from Elgar.


All of that drama would disappear with 4 day tests.
Seriously? Day 5 was only needed in one of the four game in the SA series, and that game was more likely made worse because of it. With a big first innings deficit, the last 2-3 days become a slow procession towards inevitable defeat for SA rather than what could have been a tense battle to save a draw
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Drama may take place on the last day of a 4 day test, I suppose.

Is there any proposal for more overs to be bowled or are we looking at tests with a maximum of 360 overs?
10:30 starts, play to continue under floodlights until midnight while the bowlers strive to get 105 or so overs in.
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Old 16th October 2017, 17:29   #150
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I'm not that bothered about the length of test matches. Make them four days and players, tactics and groundsmen will adapt. Some things will be lost, others gained.
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Old 16th October 2017, 18:54   #151
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10:30 starts, play to continue under floodlights until midnight while the bowlers strive to get 105 or so overs in.
112 overs and 3 balls, surely.

Seems a bit daft to me but perhaps it'll allow more days for T20. Deep joy.
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Old 16th October 2017, 21:27   #152
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Seriously? Day 5 was only needed in one of the four game in the SA series, and that game was more likely made worse because of it. With a big first innings deficit, the last 2-3 days become a slow procession towards inevitable defeat for SA rather than what could have been a tense battle to save a draw
That was just one example I used...

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Drama may take place on the last day of a 4 day test, I suppose.

Is there any proposal for more overs to be bowled or are we looking at tests with a maximum of 360 overs?
Very good question. Start a test in England at 10 rather than 11? Fill in an extra 10-15 overs a day? Stricter regulation on overs lost and time spent changing gloves, taking drinks and shenanigans?
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Old 16th October 2017, 22:18   #153
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... This is a nothing change. In fact, I would argue its a change that changes less than changing nothing because of other changes......

If we stay at 5 days, the draw will become extinct. Is that great? Not in my opinion. Its a unique thing to cricket, having a draw as different from a tie. ...

Losing all this is a far bigger change
I suspect that not as much time is lost to the weather in many other countries as is here in the UK. In any case the weather tends to make up for itself because if there's damp around then wickets tend to fall more easily. Elsewhere short games would tend to happen either because the pitch doesn't hold up or because one side plays badly.

I don't think the introduction of four-day tests is at all motivated by the desire to arrest a decline in the frequency of draws, though it may have that effect. In any case, although it certainly is a charming feature of long-form cricket to have the possibility of one team fighting for a draw (and thus, as it were, one kind of game piggybacks upon another), nonetheless there's a sense in which it is a shame that the superior team didn't have long enough to press home their advantage. In the Platonic form of cricket as I envisage it, one plays just against the oppo and the wearing pitch, not against the clock. Personally I'd be happier to extend the playing time with a sixth day than I would be to lose the fifth.

That 2005 series was marked by daft play on both sides. It was very exciting indeed, but very hectic.
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