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Old 8th January 2016, 06:46   #181
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You really need to join us when Fatslogger gets round to repaying his gambling debts. And I'm not just saying that as the alternative is listening to Chin bang on about his glory days as a Tim Munton-style quick. !
You should have said the 2012 onwards version of Tim Bresnan, that would be slower and more floaty than Munton.
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Old 15th February 2016, 15:04   #182
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Yet to be convinced that Stokes should be a certainty in our One Day line up.

39 Matches
Bowling Average 36.50
Economy Rate 6.15
Batting Average 21.40
Strike Rate 91.82

I'm not saying he shouldn't be in the side but with 39 games under his belt you want your number five batsman to be averaging more than 21. Taylor averages 42 and has a strike rate of 80.
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Old 15th February 2016, 15:22   #183
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Yet to be convinced that Stokes should be a certainty in our One Day line up.

39 Matches
Bowling Average 36.50
Economy Rate 6.15
Batting Average 21.40
Strike Rate 91.82

I'm not saying he shouldn't be in the side but with 39 games under his belt you want your number five batsman to be averaging more than 21. Taylor averages 42 and has a strike rate of 80.
I think Stokes' bowling is getting better with every series. He's building up quite a repertoire of different deliveries. I don't think he'll be our best one day bowler by any means, but I reckon he'll be the sort that breaks partnerships in the middle overs.

As far as his batting is concerned, his first 20-25 games were dreadful. I think his average will get a lot better in the next two years. Like Buttler, I reckon he's capable of scoring 150 from 80 balls. You're right in that he hasn't done it yet though. Don't think it'll be long.
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Old 16th February 2016, 11:19   #184
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Stokes' bowling does seem to be improving. His batting is still quite disappointing, though.
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Old 23rd May 2016, 16:56   #185
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Stokes expected to miss the limited overs stuff as well as the rest of the Tests.
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Old 25th May 2016, 10:18   #186
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Stokes has had an op on knee - out for 6 weeks.
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Old 20th June 2016, 06:52   #188
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What is it about the Durham boys and driving?
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Old 20th June 2016, 08:07   #189
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What is it about the Durham boys and driving?
Probably extend that to sports stars in general.
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All rounders at 26 Tests stage

1397 runs at 39.91 HS 137 6 100s 4 50s - 143 wickets at 18.69 econ 2.48 s/r 45.0 - Botham (24)
1068 runs at 33.37 HS 126* 1 100 6 50s - 103 wickets at 26.77 econ 3.00 s/r 53.5 - Kapil Dev (21)
895 runs at 22.94 HS 59 1 50 - 103 wickets at 31.64 econ 2.75 s/r 68.8 - Imran Khan (27)

1532 runs at 34.04 HS 258 3 100s 7 50s - 66 wickets at 34.86 econ 3.43 s/r 60.8 - Stokes (25)
1066 runs at 26.00 HS 142 2 100s 5 50s - 43 wickets at 49.95 econ 2.96 s/r 101.0 - Flintoff (25)
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Some context is often a good idea when looking at the results of arithmetic applied to efforts in the sporting world.

When Botham started his test career and for a while afterwards, many of the world's best cricketers were playing for Kerry Packer.
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Flintoff could not have played the innings that Stokes did at Chittagong.
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Old 5th November 2016, 12:46   #194
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Flintoff could not have played the innings that Stokes did at Chittagong.
Sure he could, would it have been likely no but he batted very well in India (in 06 maybe?) and he absolutely destroyed Bangladesh in 3 ODI's over there (not the same obviously) but I don't think he was out once in the series and scored 200 odd runs.

Flintoffs technique against spin whilst basic wasn't bad he just had rushes of blood to the head occasionally but even that happened more against the quicks.
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It occurred to me whilst watching Stokes bowl a spell of quick short pitched bowling (and creating a chance) just what an integral part of the Test team he has become.
He bats at 5/6 and is IMO one of the best six batsmen in the country, scoring Test runs in all conditions. And is a bowler who can swing/reverse the ball at a decent pace - even bowling containing spells in Bangladesh.

We are lucky to have him.
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Old 17th November 2016, 17:52   #196
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It occurred to me whilst watching Stokes bowl a spell of quick short pitched bowling (and creating a chance) just what an integral part of the Test team he has become.
He bats at 5/6 and is IMO one of the best six batsmen in the country, scoring Test runs in all conditions. And is a bowler who can swing/reverse the ball at a decent pace - even bowling containing spells in Bangladesh.

We are lucky to have him.
He's certainly evolved in to one of our best 6 batsman and probably our 4th best seamer. Currently the best batsmen are probably (in order) Root, Cook, Bairstow, Stokes then Ali. Reasonable test batsmen average over 35, so Ali and Stokes just get in there, but both have averages improving quite quickly.
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Old 17th November 2016, 17:56   #197
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This year he's averaging 60 with the bat and 23 with the ball.

I'd say he's one of our top 5 batsmen and one of our top 3 bowlers.
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Old 17th November 2016, 18:05   #198
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This year he's averaging 60 with the bat and 23 with the ball.

I'd say he's one of our top 5 batsmen and one of our top 3 bowlers.
Fixed that for you

Finally starting to justify the hype that's been around for so long.
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This year he's averaging 60 with the bat and 23 with the ball.

I'd say he's one of our top 5 batsmen and one of our top 3 bowlers.
I suspect a bit like Ali if you took his Pakistan batting out of the equation he'd now average about 40. His bowling is a little more difficult to judge because England are trying to manage his workload a little better than Flintoff I think. They seem to try to use him at the right times for him to bowl well whereas Woakes, Anderson and Broad get to do more donkey work. Ifor the ball reverses he definitely our best attacking seamer.

While he's so important with the bat is think England are trying to use him the right way, but it does give him an advantage in terms of his average.
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Ben Stokes

Excellent and detailed legal assessment from a criminal justice expert on the splendid Full Toss website:

"Allegations such as that facing Stokes are usually considered so serious that only a custodial sentence will suffice; the potential harm associated with knocking a victim unconscious ordinarily means a prison sentence is inevitable...."

However, all would not be lost for Stokes.

"Working on the assumption Stokes has no previous criminal convictions and is committed to engaging fully with interventions to prevent a recurrence of such behaviour, the Judge will be more likely to suspend the period of imprisonment."

And no, none of that is covered by sub judice.It is simply an expert's objective assessment of the legal position re sentencing.
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