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Old 19th January 2018, 12:20   #181
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Elsewhere Bangladesh have scored 320 v SL.
It'll be interesting to see how that tour goes. I suspect Bangladesh will take over Sri Lanka in the international pecking order by the end of it.
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Old 19th January 2018, 12:20   #182
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Australians were pretending the ODIs don't matter, at 2-0 down they suddenly matter a lot, they are melting hard right now.

England are a completely different team in the ODIs, they're full of confidence.

Eoin Morgan is such a cool hand on the tiller, why is he not the test captain? He frees up Root to be a much better player too.
Because he wasn't even a successful first class player unfortunately. Last played f/c cricket nearly 3 years ago and obviously spends more time learning the strategies of short form cricket when on the bench at whichever IPL franchise he is at.
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Old 19th January 2018, 12:21   #183
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...Eoin Morgan is such a cool hand on the tiller, why is he not the test captain? He frees up Root to be a much better player too.
International, on field captaincy is of very much reduced importance now.

Morgan would have to be in the test side to be its captain. His first class game hardly qualifies him for domestic competition.
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Old 19th January 2018, 12:25   #184
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Indeed. Morgan's leadership of this team is second to none. I think his stints in the IPL are rubbing off, he just has so much knowledge of the white ball game now. I'm struggling to see how Stokes gets in the team.
This team seems to be coping just fine without him but there is no doubt he would improve the team. I guess one of Roy, Hales or YJB will step down but the strength in depth means Root could be given a rest.

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Tye looks short of the class required and Stoinis and Marsh should be competing for the same spot. Surely Maxwell will come back in once they feel he's been given the kick up the arse he needs. Australia do have lots of options going into the World Cup so I don't think they need to panic just yet, even if this is a whitewash.
Tye looks exactly like what he is - a T20 specialist - but Richardson was impressive and will surely get more opportunities. I expect at least one of Cummins and Hazlewood will return on Sunday.
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Old 19th January 2018, 12:25   #185
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Indeed. Morgan's leadership of this team is second to none. I think his stints in the IPL are rubbing off, he just has so much knowledge of the white ball game now. I'm struggling to see how Stokes gets in the team.
You could make a case for almost all of the players potentially giving way, and then dismiss it just as quickly.

I know itís only Twitter but Iíve read people saying any of Bairstow, Woakes or Plunkett could make way. So your opening batsman, opening bowler and useful lower order player, or your middle overs bowler & useful boundary hitter?

Realistically itíll be one of Ali, Buttler or Bairstow, Iíd say.

Iíd be reluctant to drop any of them personally, but Root could bowl as the second spinner, Stokes would strengthen the batting in Moís place.

Bairstow looks at home at the top of the order and heís good at turning singles into twos... and Buttler simply wonít be dropped any time soon, his batting has fallen away in part because he isnít in as early every match anymore and his role is dictated by how the team is doing.
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Old 19th January 2018, 12:38   #186
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Because he wasn't even a successful first class player unfortunately. Last played f/c cricket nearly 3 years ago and obviously spends more time learning the strategies of short form cricket when on the bench at whichever IPL franchise he is at.
If you could carry Mike Brearley you could carry Eoin Morgan.
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If you could carry Mike Brearley you could carry Eoin Morgan.
But Brealey was a man management genuis..a one off.
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But Brealey was a man management genuis..a one off.
Brearley invented reverse psychology.

Headingly 81 2nd innings.

Brearley to Botham - "I bet you won't score a ton today you fat spud".

Brearley to Willis - "I bet you won't take a wicket today you wiry weirdo".

Nek minnut Brearley is hailed as one of the great test captains of all time when he was just a nasty pasty.
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Brearley invented reverse psychology.

Headingly 81 2nd innings.

Brearley to Botham - "I bet you won't score a ton today you fat spud".

Brearley to Willis - "I bet you won't take a wicket today you wiry weirdo".

Nek minnut Brearley is hailed as one of the great test captains of all time when he was just a nasty pasty.
That's a different take on it..he was the right man at the right time..like Churchill..and he had 15 years of captaincy experience before taking the England job. A common problem is giving the best player the captaincy when they have no experience of the job at all. Brealey was a bit of a one off..maybe Jardine was another..so 2 off.
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If you could carry Mike Brearley you could carry Eoin Morgan.
Too many batting duds that it would make enough of a difference. The only thing it might do would be to get Root out of his pretty little fifty rut but even then he had over a year of doing that quite significantly before taking up the captaincy.
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Old 19th January 2018, 14:32   #191
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If you could carry Mike Brearley you could carry Eoin Morgan.
Not so. Brearley played in an era when on field captaincy demanded far more of the captain than it does now.

Any road up, carrying a player simply because he is captain, as was the case with Vaughan for a great many matches, is not a good idea.
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It always appeared Aus were 50 short of what was needed here. There was a lack of scoreboard pressure until the fall of wickets in Starc’s last spell.

However, it is a mark of England’s newly-developed ODI competency that they demolish targets that would previously have defeated most other opposition in Aussies’ back yard - only one higher successful chasing total at the Gabba (273).
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Tye looks short of the class required and Stoinis and Marsh should be competing for the same spot. Surely Maxwell will come back in once they feel he's been given the kick up the arse he needs. Australia do have lots of options going into the World Cup so I don't think they need to panic just yet, even if this is a whitewash.
Tye is useful when the batsman are really going after him, he hasn't bowled in the first 10 overs much, 3 overs I think and there hasn't really been any death bowling for Australia, he's probably more suited to T20 though.

Not sure there's space for Marsh, Stoinis is a maybe if it looks good for seem bowling otherwise I'd pick Short and Maxwell.

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You could make a case for almost all of the players potentially giving way, and then dismiss it just as quickly.

I know it’s only Twitter but I’ve read people saying any of Bairstow, Woakes or Plunkett could make way. So your opening batsman, opening bowler and useful lower order player, or your middle overs bowler & useful boundary hitter?

Realistically it’ll be one of Ali, Buttler or Bairstow, I’d say.

I’d be reluctant to drop any of them personally, but Root could bowl as the second spinner, Stokes would strengthen the batting in Mo’s place.

Bairstow looks at home at the top of the order and he’s good at turning singles into twos... and Buttler simply won’t be dropped any time soon, his batting has fallen away in part because he isn’t in as early every match anymore and his role is dictated by how the team is doing.
It's pretty easy to put a case forward that for the bilateral series before the world cup that we just rest one test player each game and the others play. Ali, Bairstow, Stokes, Root and Woakes are likely to continue being selected in the test team so that works out for a 5 match series!

If you were to actually drop a player (after all this captaincy talk) is Morgan who's the weakest player in the team and Billings must be a bit miffed he doesn't get a game ahead of him.

Having said that it's not going to happen before the world cup and as Morgan likes having 6 bowlers plus root I'd imagine it will be one of Bairstow,Hales or Roy if they don't go down the resting route.
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Australians were pretending the ODIs don't matter, at 2-0 down they suddenly matter a lot, they are melting hard right now.

England are a completely different team in the ODIs, they're full of confidence.

Eoin Morgan is such a cool hand on the tiller, why is he not the test captain? He frees up Root to be a much better player too.
Bayliss seems to know what he's doing in ODIs.

Tests - not just the Ashes - he's not at the races.
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Bayliss seems to know what he's doing in ODIs.

Tests - not just the Ashes - he's not at the races.
I donít want to jump on any anti-Bayliss bandwagon, but how much of a role do coaches in general have on the performance of this one day side? A lot of it has been driven by Morgan by all accounts (contrary to D/Lís suggestion that the captaincy is irrelevant) and the change in style and overnight improvement came before Bayliss when Farbrace was in temporary charge. Iím sure there is plenty of behind the scenes prep work going on but most of that is done by analysts and youíd think specific coaches do the fitness/batting/fielding training. The important thing is that we have an atmosphere conducive to risk taking but there must be more to the head coaching role than not shouting at people.
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I donít want to jump on any anti-Bayliss bandwagon, but how much of a role do coaches in general have on the performance of this one day side? A lot of it has been driven by Morgan by all accounts (contrary to D/Lís suggestion that the captaincy is irrelevant) and the change in style and overnight improvement came before Bayliss when Farbrace was in temporary charge. Iím sure there is plenty of behind the scenes prep work going on but most of that is done by analysts and youíd think specific coaches do the fitness/batting/fielding training. The important thing is that we have an atmosphere conducive to risk taking but there must be more to the head coaching role than not shouting at people.
I was thinking the same thing. England could only go one way from where they were when Bayliss took over and it didnt take great insight to work out the type of player would get them heading in the right direction. The issue was sticking with players if they had an iffy start. Alex Hales was the case in point, looked a bit suspect in 50 over cricket when he began but look at him now.
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Brearley invented reverse psychology.

Headingly 81 2nd innings.

Brearley to Botham - "I bet you won't score a ton today you fat spud".

Brearley to Willis - "I bet you won't take a wicket today you wiry weirdo".

Nek minnut Brearley is hailed as one of the great test captains of all time when he was just a nasty pasty.
Are you sure? That doesn't sound like the sort of language Mike Brearley would use.
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2-0, Morgan shows Root how to do the job.
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Wasn't Morgan also the captain when we were crap? This suggests it was the change of coach that made the biggest difference.
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