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Old 7th February 2018, 10:52   #21
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No hope. Be lucky to get to 160 the way this is going now.
Make that 130..

An implosion.
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Brainless batting and the order is not right at all. Willey should open with Hales at 3 and everyone else dropping down one.

If I hear one more of our commentators say that we 'bat deep' I might have to shoot someone. Billings is the last 'specialist' batsmen at 6. The rest are all bowler first, batsman second.
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Brainless batting and the order is not right at all. Willey should open with Hales at 3 and everyone else dropping down one.

If I hear one more of our commentators say that we 'bat deep' I might have to shoot someone. Billings is the last 'specialist' batsmen at 6. The rest are all bowler first, batsman second.
We bat deep in a 4 wickets for 5 runs kind of way..
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To be honest, this just looks like a batting unit that hasn't played T20 cricket for a year compared to a bowling unit that's been playing regularly in the Big Bash.

But given how half the batting has also played in the Big Bash it doesn't exactly wash.
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Old 7th February 2018, 11:05   #25
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Brainless batting and the order is not right at all. Willey should open with Hales at 3 and everyone else dropping down one.
Willey is nothing more than a slogger. I hear James Taylor say how good it was that we had Sam Billings "a proper batsman" batting at six. Wow. Whooppee do. He's not in the class of number sixes you will see elsewhere. Then our order tails off with sloggers, no one who has the brain power nor ability to bat properly.

The side out there today misses Stokes and Moeen hugely.

Why the supposition that Roy gets to open at all? Has anyone looked at his history in T20 cricket? Hales, who you suggest gets demoted to fit a slogger into the order averages 12 more with a higher strike rate. Roy should not be in the side if anything. It's interesting to note that Hales is always the one mooted for moving or dropping yet Roy gains so much support, his personality and brand appear far more successful. Personally I'd happily have YJB at the top of the order with Hales, or when he's playing, Moeen for that left / right combination (and someone who can actually bat).
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Willey is nothing more than a slogger. I hear James Taylor say how good it was that we had Sam Billings "a proper batsman" batting at six. Wow. Whooppee do. He's not in the class of number sixes you will see elsewhere. Then our order tails off with sloggers, no one who has the brain power nor ability to bat properly.

The side out there today misses Stokes and Moeen hugely.

Why the supposition that Roy gets to open at all? Has anyone looked at his history in T20 cricket? Hales, who you suggest gets demoted to fit a slogger into the order averages 12 more with a higher strike rate. Roy should not be in the side if anything. It's interesting to note that Hales is always the one mooted for moving or dropping yet Roy gains so much support, his personality and brand appear far more successful. Personally I'd happily have YJB at the top of the order with Hales, or when he's playing, Moeen for that left / right combination (and someone who can actually bat).
To be fair its a lottery in this format but Stokes is a big miss.

Moeen hasn't scored a run all winter.

Sensible batting from the last pair - rescued it a bit.
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Willey is nothing more than a slogger. I hear James Taylor say how good it was that we had Sam Billings "a proper batsman" batting at six. Wow. Whooppee do. He's not in the class of number sixes you will see elsewhere. Then our order tails off with sloggers, no one who has the brain power nor ability to bat properly.
I'm fully aware that Willey is just a slogger (not sure Roy is much more either). And that's precisely why you make them open when there's only 2 fielders out. If they come off then they can win you a game, if they get out cheaply then you've still got the proper batsmen to come.

What Willey isn't going to do is change the nature of an innings coming in at 7.
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I'm fully aware that Willey is just a slogger (not sure Roy is much more either). And that's precisely why you make them open when there's only 2 fielders out. If they come off then they can win you a game, if they get out cheaply then you've still got the proper batsmen to come.

What Willey isn't going to do is change the nature of an innings coming in at 7.
I would suggest that Roy has a far greater range of shots and scoring areas than Willey, YJB and Moeen even more. I thought the days of pinch hitters had gone. Maybe you're right and it would work but I doubt it. That's the great thing about cricket, all these opportunities for debate.

I think that Moeen would probably be my choice, though as Jock points out he hasn't scored many runs this winter. The danger for me with a pure pinch hitter is that they use up time where a batsman (who could go on and score big) will be getting himself in.
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I would suggest that Roy has a far greater range of shots and scoring areas than Willey, YJB and Moeen even more. I thought the days of pinch hitters had gone. Maybe you're right and it would work but I doubt it. That's the great thing about cricket, all these opportunities for debate.

I think that Moeen would probably be my choice, though as Jock points out he hasn't scored many runs this winter. The danger for me with a pure pinch hitter is that they use up time where a batsman (who could go on and score big) will be getting himself in.
I'm only basing this on the squad we have available to us. This was crying out for a Root type to bat for an extra 5 overs before launching after the 15th. Morgan can't do that it seems.

I think there's enough evidence that Willey wouldn't die wondering at the top of the order.

But he's started well with the ball........
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This D'Arcy Short is in some form! A 96, 97 and 122 plus a couple of other fifties in the Aussie slogathon. At 27 he's no kid, assume he's just worked out his game and something has clicked?
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Gotta catch that Alex.

Oz working on improving their NRR.
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What is it with our C&B, don't know how Ali and Rashid are taking these, normally they're average catchers and that's being fair!
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Looks like Oz at this moment..
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Trying to keep an eye on the 20/20 but Andrew Neale is more entertaining on the Daily Politics..Oz need 29 off 25 with 5 wickets left..
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Two key moments deciding this match - Hales dropped a sitter off Maxwell. Then Roy caught him low to the turf, soft signal was out, third umpire overturned it. Looked 50/50 to me so not sure why it was overturned.

Although, the real deciding factor was the woeful collapse earlier on. 175 was defendable, 155 definitely not.
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Still, on the positive side, Maxwell's all round performance is making Steve Smith look really stupid.

Perhaps the rest of the limited overs squad should adopt his training methods?
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Catches win matches. Hales dropped it.
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