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Old 7th February 2018, 13:06   #41
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We could have done with a second spinner in the team. Will England never learn?
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Old 7th February 2018, 13:14   #42
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Catches win matches. Hales dropped it.
Yes, Maxwell was only in the thirties then, but Roy also failed to take a crucial catch, despite claiming it. That was costly.

As the commentators pointed out, Roy stuttered his way to the ball which caused not to take a clean catch.
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Old 7th February 2018, 13:24   #43
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No Stokes, Woakes, Root, Ali, Plunkett or even Bairstow. Of those it was clearly Root who was missed most to control the innings.

Although a second spinner would've been nice.
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Old 7th February 2018, 14:20   #44
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Catches win matches. Hales dropped it.
Yep - 2 chances should have been taken.

Fine margins.

Another 30 runs would have helped.
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Old 7th February 2018, 14:34   #45
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The management seem happy to use T20's at the moment to rest plenty of players and try out new guys, which I guess makes sense with the World cup so far away. With our 3 best all rounders and even Plunkett all missing the batting definitely isn't deep we basically play with 4 number nines batting at 7,8,9,10.

I know he got Head out in the later stages but still not sure why Willey isn't just bowling 4 out of the first 5 from one end.
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To think Australia were calling up Cam White before Maxwell for the ODIs..
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I know he got Head out in the later stages but still not sure why Willey isn't just bowling 4 out of the first 5 from one end.
They always reckon it gets easy to line up a bowler, hence captains make so many bowling changes these days. Quite often you'll see a good first over and then the second in a spell goes for loads.
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Old 7th February 2018, 18:02   #48
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We could have done with a second spinner in the team. Will England never learn?
You have to wonder why Mason Crane didnt get a gig. Or are the selectors regressing back to previous bad ways of deciding that cos a player didnt perform in one format he should not be considered for all formats?
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Old 8th February 2018, 09:23   #49
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You have to wonder why Mason Crane didnt get a gig. Or are the selectors regressing back to previous bad ways of deciding that cos a player didnt perform in one format he should not be considered for all formats?
Crane bowled for the Lions last night (with no great success) in Jamaica.
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Old 8th February 2018, 09:30   #50
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It's the bottom picture that causes confusion. I remember Simon Hughes doing a demonstration of these catches where he held the ball above the turf..........but the angle of the bottom one made it look like it was touching grass even though we knew it wasn't.
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It's the bottom picture that causes confusion. I remember Simon Hughes doing a demonstration of these catches where he held the ball above the turf..........but the angle of the bottom one made it look like it was touching grass even though we knew it wasn't.
It's well known that the camera for shortens things. Clean catches look as if they've hit the ground. That's why all the old pro commentators thought it was out, even the Aussies.
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It's well known that the camera for shortens things. Clean catches look as if they've hit the ground. That's why all the old pro commentators thought it was out, even the Aussies.
Actually Clarke was strident about it being out, but the others weren't. On a program this evening, the consensus was not out. Nonetheless, if the technology can't be trusted, it's almost not worth referring low catches, because the verdict is invariably the same every time.
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We basically have to win on Saturday or we are behind the 8 ball for the final.
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We basically have to win on Saturday or we are behind the 8 ball for the final.
Depends if the Aussies beat the Kiwis in their 2nd game (which I think they will). Then it may only need one win over the Kiwis to qualify given how bad their run rate is following their mauling in the first game.

The Aussies are basically in the Final already.
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Old 8th February 2018, 14:02   #56
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Willey is nothing more than a slogger. I hear James Taylor say how good it was that we had Sam Billings "a proper batsman" batting at six. Wow. Whooppee do. He's not in the class of number sixes you will see elsewhere. Then our order tails off with sloggers, no one who has the brain power nor ability to bat properly.

The side out there today misses Stokes and Moeen hugely.

Why the supposition that Roy gets to open at all? Has anyone looked at his history in T20 cricket? Hales, who you suggest gets demoted to fit a slogger into the order averages 12 more with a higher strike rate. Roy should not be in the side if anything. It's interesting to note that Hales is always the one mooted for moving or dropping yet Roy gains so much support, his personality and brand appear far more successful. Personally I'd happily have YJB at the top of the order with Hales, or when he's playing, Moeen for that left / right combination (and someone who can actually bat).
Who in world cricket are better T20 no.6s than Billings? I can't imagine there are many, either in T20Is or domestic T20.

That strikerate of 143.63 is going to put him in the upper echelon.

Nobody is suggesting dropping Hales. If England were to deploy a pinch-hitter then he'd be the natural choice to move back one place in the order as Roy, who attacks from the go, hits more of his runs in the powerplay whereas Hales plays himself in more before playing more expansively. You'll note that England, who are big on this sort of detail, have Roy at 1 and Hales at 2.
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We could have done with a second spinner in the team. Will England never learn?
I'm not really sure what you mean. England nearly always pick two spinners in ODI and T20 cricket. I was surprised to see Dawson miss out, especially given how well he bowled against the PMs XI.
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I think weve unearthed a few quality t20 quicks here, looking good
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Warner BRILLIANT run out, one motion collect and throw, dont get much better than that.
Lets hope he can get a few runs for a change.
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Vince is itching to get himself out.
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