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Old 11th May 2016, 16:27   #221
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Ah, well, if students agree... http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wEolSjlcqng
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Old 12th May 2016, 02:05   #222
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Some interesting and thought provoking comments in the last few pages and as usual, some funny ones.
Regarding the impact T20 has had on Test cricket I am always the optimist and like to think it has been a positive impact, rather than a negative one. And as one poster already said, Test cricket was changing already, before T20 came along.
Without looking up the stats I had noticed more runs being scored and less draws being played, a good thing in my opinion.

Funny that the guy who wailed about me sending him an abusive message posted this -
............."You're completely transparent anyway. Do us all a favour and get off these forums. You're an absolute joke."............

Apparently you can post comments like this on the forum but it is not allowed in private messages.

And D/L - (............"Judging by the sanctimonious claptrap you post"...........)
and simon were made for each other !

As I said, good comments above regarding the subject of Test and T20 cricket.
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Old 12th May 2016, 09:25   #223
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And thankyou too for your valuable insights, Mickmac.

Comments on matches, though, are probably better directed at those of the sporting variety.
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Old 12th May 2016, 12:32   #224
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Those criticising modern batsmen for their lack of defensive technique as a sign of the deterioration of test cricket (because of t20), should read PoD's excellent description of the recent Surrey Yorkshire match, in particular the importance of the aggressive run scoring by Root and Bairstow which gave their bowlers enough runs and time to win the rain-effected match. As I said, a batsman should not be solely judged by their defensive ability.

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Old 12th May 2016, 17:16   #225
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Indeed, they shouldn't and Root and Bairstow batted brilliantly to help get Yorkshire into a very unexpected winning position.

Had Surrey been the only team with a chance of victory, though, would they have been able to bat like Boycott, for example, for hours on end, to secure a draw? I'm not so sure.
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Old 12th May 2016, 20:44   #226
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Indeed, they shouldn't and Root and Bairstow batted brilliantly to help get Yorkshire into a very unexpected winning position.

Had Surrey been the only team with a chance of victory, though, would they have been able to bat like Boycott, for example, for hours on end, to secure a draw? I'm not so sure.
Probably not, although using Boycott as an example is perhaps a little unfair on them, given that he's one of the most obdurate batsmen ever to have played the game. None of his English and very few of his international contemporaries could bat like him either. Root might just be regarded as having as much talent, albeit that he plays a different way but Bairstow isn't really in the same conversation, certainly not at this stage of his career.

It's also only rather rarely the case that all you want from a batsman is crease occupation. Looking at the Surrey second innings as an example, yes if someone had lasted a few overs longer they'd likely have held out but if they'd managed enough runs to get 50 in front by the time they were all out, Yorkshire wouldn't have won then either. It's clearly more of a thought experiment than a real conundrum but I'd rather have a guy who can't bat defensively when the situation demands it than one who can't score runs quickly. So even if T20 has made test batsmen significantly worse at batting time, which is not a contention I think is remotely proven or even particularly likely, it doesn't follow that it's made them worse test players overall or made the game poorer for it.
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Old 12th May 2016, 20:49   #227
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Boycott would probably have chucked his wicket away in such a situation to ensure his teammates realised they had let him down by not being up to his mark during the rest of the match.
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Old 13th May 2016, 15:16   #228
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...So even if T20 has made test batsmen significantly worse at batting time, which is not a contention I think is remotely proven or even particularly likely, it doesn't follow that it's made them worse test players overall or made the game poorer for it.
Test cricket is certainly not poorer for those who derive enjoyment from seeing more attacking shots, and that is certainly the case in test cricket today.

I'd say it is, however, poorer for those who enjoy seeing more of the full range of approaches to batting. Some players do still have the ability to adapt, though they are becoming fewer in number.

Others seem to try but tend to fail because they have neither the right skills nor the obduracy. Sadly, many seem not to try at all.

Whether one thinks it is for the better or for the worse, the game has definitely changed and it cannot be merely coincidence that many test players now also play a lot of T20.
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Old 13th May 2016, 18:19   #229
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It could very easily be coincidence that lots of test players play T20. As pointed out earlier, the trends towards faster scoring and marginally fewer balls faced started well before T20 existed. Beyond you and CD stating confidently that there are fewer batsmen digging in now, I still don't see any evidence adduced that there actually are fewer long, obdurate innings. I'm not volunteering to check how long say the longest 10 test innings were per year for the last 4 decades but that's the kind of evidence that would be interesting.

My view is that it's not clear either way as to whether T20 has damaged the ability of batsmen and sides to dig in, although if there is an effect I suspect it's small. I'm pretty sure it has contributed, along with ODI cricket, to batsmen having more attacking options for tests when they choose to use them.
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I think there are batsmen willing to dig in, but in general the avenue of earning a fortune in T20 comps means fewer come over here to learn to play the moving ball for a county. They just aren't technically capable, rather than not having the attitude to do it.
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Old 13th May 2016, 21:47   #231
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I think there are batsmen willing to dig in, but in general the avenue of earning a fortune in T20 comps means fewer come over here to learn to play the moving ball for a county. They just aren't technically capable, rather than not having the attitude to do it.
I don't think it is just the T20 circuit, many international sides calendars have a lot of international cricket, which makes a season in the county championship untenable, in a way I don't recall there being 20 years ago. You now get a few test stars come across for a few games here and there, be it in the championship or for the blast but far, far fewer for the whole season unless they have finished their international career (i.e. Sanga).
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And as is often mentioned, the international schedules now no longer provide much time for teams to acclimatise by playing loads of tour games as they once did.
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Old 16th May 2016, 06:24   #233
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It'd be interesting to have a similar discussion on bowlers as well, whether T20 cricket has adversely affected bowling or not.
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Players getting out in the 90s this season

Voges 92
Lees 92
Croft 94
Harinath 96
Trego 94
Collingwood 97
Trescothick 97
Rogers 91
Trego 94
Gubbins 91
O'Brien 93
Hughes 96
Nash 92
Madsen 97
Kleinveldt 97
Latham 90
Dexter 98
Lloyd 99
D'Oliveira 99

All of them thinking of their hundreds......
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Players getting out in the 90s this season

Voges 92
Lees 92
Croft 94
Harinath 96
Trego 94
Collingwood 97
Trescothick 97
Rogers 91
Trego 94
Gubbins 91
O'Brien 93
Hughes 96
Nash 92
Madsen 97
Kleinveldt 97
Latham 90
Dexter 98
Lloyd 99
D'Oliveira 99

All of them thinking of their hundreds......
I'm not sure all of them would have thinking of their hundreds. Somebody like Latham on 90 would only have one more run than a player in the 80s. The reality is once you score 60 plus you have always got one eye on getting a century (unless there's not enough overs left), but it's only when you get to 96 or 97 that the mental pressure really kicks in.
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Old 17th May 2016, 08:05   #236
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You can tell Luke Wells barely plays T20. He managed 101 dot balls in a 110 ball innings today trying to bat out a draw for Sussex.
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Lancs have Brown (28) opening the batting. After 77 matches he is poor. Was wondering what all the other Div 1 batting was like. Gubbins (22) has only played 21 matches.

Carberry 42.71
Trescothick 42.10
Burns 39.64
Robson 39.57
Lyth 39.54
Adams 38.01
Hales 37.86
Lees 37.70
Hameed 37.50
Chopra 37.07
Abell 33.40
Westwood 33.05
Mullaney 32.82
Harinath 32.19
Stoneman 32.10
Jennings 30.93
Brown 27.88 (this season 20.80)
Gubbins 25.63 (this season 38.14)
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Lancs have Brown (28) opening the batting. After 77 matches he is poor. Was wondering what all the other Div 1 batting was like. Gubbins (22) has only played 21 matches.

Carberry 42.71
Trescothick 42.10
Burns 39.64
Robson 39.57
Lyth 39.54
Adams 38.01
Hales 37.86
Lees 37.70
Hameed 37.50
Chopra 37.07
Abell 33.40
Westwood 33.05
Mullaney 32.82
Harinath 32.19
Stoneman 32.10
Jennings 30.93
Brown 27.88 (this season 20.80)
Gubbins 25.63 (this season 38.14)
I take it these are career figures and not when opening. I would expect Hales average drops a bit as he has scored some of his bigger centuries at number three.
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Interesting batting stats here and the heritage of the batsmen is not surprising, neither of them born in England !
http://www.news.com.au/sport/cricket...8cfb55156f8217

But I cannot help but wonder how much the size of the ground affects the score total. What would the score have been if the same match was played on a big ground, like The MCG ?
Perhaps there should be a formula based on the square meterage of the ground
to put these huge scores into perspective.
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