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Old 14th June 2016, 09:58   #461
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Of the current team, Broad ought to be next in line. Personally I think he should already be captain and Root is nowhere near ready. Of course there are ready made replacements who aren't currently in the team.
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I'd never pick a bowler to be captain, too much on your mind for your own role and no, I wouldn't pick Morgan to be captain when he barely plays FC cricket, let alone be much good at it. There's enough doubt over whether he's doing the business to stay in the short format squads as a player in any case.
It's a bit of a non-issue these days. As long as the captain is good with the media and is playing well enough to get in the team as a player, it doesn't really matter who gets the gig.
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Old 14th June 2016, 12:25   #462
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Of the current team, Broad ought to be next in line. Personally I think he should already be captain and Root is nowhere near ready. Of course there are ready made replacements who aren't currently in the team.
That'll be all the reviews used up in the first over then!
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Old 14th June 2016, 12:27   #463
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I think picking a bowler to be captain is fine if they have a good fitness record. At least they are in the habit of thinking about how to get batsmen out. It is very early days indeed but I think if Hales stays in the team he could be a candidate somewhere down the line. He appears to be in the process of growing a brain.
Hales, captain, I think I have heard everything now.
Stokes is the one Bayliss likes. He talks to the captain alot on the field.
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Old 14th June 2016, 12:39   #464
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I think picking a bowler to be captain is fine if they have a good fitness record. At least they are in the habit of thinking about how to get batsmen out. It is very early days indeed but I think if Hales stays in the team he could be a candidate somewhere down the line. He appears to be in the process of growing a brain.
Hales! Taylor would have made a good captain, liked the look of him for Notts and his couple of England games where he was the skipper. I don't think Stokes has the temperament to be captain. I think Cook is doing a fine job at present.
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Old 14th June 2016, 16:03   #465
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That'll be all the reviews used up in the first over then!
Not if Jimmy's bowling it.
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Old 14th June 2016, 23:32   #466
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What you can have a go at him for with regards to Sunday was only waking up and realising that he needed to go and score quick runs so late in that particular day to set up the declaration. If he'd had a bit more of a go a couple of hours earlier England could have been a bit further ahead sooner and thus had a go earlier. He is wooden with regard to bowling changes and field setting like you say but the problem is that there seems to be no-one making themselves a good case to take over right now and not Joe Root when Cook was off the field on Saturday.
I think this is fair and certainly Cook should have been looking to push on from the moment he'd had a few sighters but it's just not his game. I think he was trying to score quicker than usual but kept hitting fielders. As far as declaring much earlier went, it wasn't clear how much time would be lost to rain on Monday, even by Monday morning, let alone on Sunday.
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Rain ruined any chance of a result, I personally don't keep tabs on the weather but wonder maybe if the captain should have had a better idea how much play was likely.

Easy in hindsight I know, and the "what if" scenarios like what if he declared leaving 270 to chase and there was more play possible than forecast, but there didn't seem enough urgency in my book and too much focus on absolute safety and that little session at the end of the day.

As it happens there was never likely to be a result unless the captain guessed there'd be less than a session's play on the final day and instead of sending in a nightwatchman sent in a batsman the side had gone hell for leather for a session and a bit then declared, but as I say easy to say now but then at 2-0 up there was nothing to lose and surely captains should be as aware as is possible of the forecast.

I think Cook will be captain as long as he chooses, not sure it/he is the best for England (and NOT based on this Test alone, generally his captaincy is wooden, field settings like not having 3rd slip when there's no reason not to, declarations over cautious etc, although I think all are identifiable with this Test to varying degrees)
A puzzling post. I'm not a huge fan of Cook's captaincy but I do think he has improved quite drastically (from a very low base indeed) under Bayliss. Even if upon completion of Sri Lanka's first innings Cook had known exactly how many overs were left in the game (approx 90 I think) it would have been quite tricky to force a result. As it is I think he judged it pretty well - 360 in 110 overs gave both sides a chance of victory.
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... I'm not a huge fan of Cook's captaincy but ...
I think Cook's captaincy will come under criticism whenever he's not doing particularly well with the bat.
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Old 15th June 2016, 14:40   #469
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The longer Cook's been skipper, the better he's done IMO. Root will obviously replace him in due course, but I'm happy for Cook to keep going for a while and let Root focus on maintaining his form and continuing to learn as a senior player.

Can be no issue with Cook's declaration. Most people originally said we should declare with a lead of about 350 to force SL to try and chase. Then when he did declare there was talk of it being 20 runs premature, and now with hindsight it's dismissed as too cautious. Had there been no rain then SL could quite easily have got 270 on a flattening pitch with 4 sessions or so. Nothing to lose? What about the test? Even at the end of a series I want us to win games and I'm sure that's the case for our players, too.
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Old 15th June 2016, 15:00   #470
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Why do you think Root will be captain, Bestie? Other than that that's what everyone says.
I've heard Root referred to as next England captain in this way about a thousand times, but I've never heard anyone give any reason for that characterisation.
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Old 15th June 2016, 15:10   #471
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Why do you think Root will be captain, Bestie? Other than that that's what everyone says.
I've heard Root referred to as next England captain in this way about a thousand times, but I've never heard anyone give any reason for that characterisation.
His ascension to VC replacing Bell ahead of other, more senior players. His being the next most experienced player after Cook, Broad and Jimmy - and I don't believe either of the latter two will replace Cook. Him being our best player - which often seems to be the basis for these decisions. I believe Cook even basically said Root will be captain when he steps down. And yes, it's widely reported in the media as fact. The only other player in the current squad whom I think has the cricketing brain and experience (and who is a batsman, which seems to be a prerequisite) would be Vince, but he's got to establish himself in the side first, although 18 months could be long enough to do so.
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His ascension to VC replacing Bell ahead of other, more senior players. His being the next most experienced player after Cook, Broad and Jimmy - and I don't believe either of the latter two will replace Cook. Him being our best player - which often seems to be the basis for these decisions. I believe Cook even basically said Root will be captain when he steps down. And yes, it's widely reported in the media as fact. The only other player in the current squad whom I think has the cricketing brain and experience (and who is a batsman, which seems to be a prerequisite) would be Vince, but he's got to establish himself in the side first, although 18 months could be long enough to do so.
Thanks, Bestie. I was just wondering whether you had any experience of observing his tactical acumen in some match somewhere. More generally, I understand that there has to be a vice-captain for when the captain is indisposed, but I don't think it helps to arrange the succession in advance in this way, as if Root were Cook's first-born son. Better to approach the question with a fresh mind when the time comes.
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Old 15th June 2016, 17:08   #473
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Thanks, Bestie. I was just wondering whether you had any experience of observing his tactical acumen in some match somewhere. More generally, I understand that there has to be a vice-captain for when the captain is indisposed, but I don't think it helps to arrange the succession in advance in this way, as if Root were Cook's first-born son. Better to approach the question with a fresh mind when the time comes.
I think Root is by far the most likely but Trescothick looked nailed on to take over from Hussain until Vaughan had that golden year. I can't see Cook giving up or losing it soon so anything could happen in the next year or two.
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I don't mind bashing Cook for his captaincy but find the criticism of him over this declaration a bit odd, pointless even. Timing a declaration when the forecast is for showers is not easy and I think the best course of action is to assume no rain at all. I live about ten miles from Lords yet had the match been where I live then most of Saturday would've been a wash out but they'd have played a lot more cricket on Sunday and Monday. Even on poster's predictions on here for Monday's forecast ranged between occasional showers and a total washout. That they only managed 20 overs in the last innings suggests Cook was never likely to have been able to force a win.

I expect English cricket fans to demonstrate a better understanding of the vagaries of English weather.
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I don't mind bashing Cook for his captaincy but find the criticism of him over this declaration a bit odd, pointless even. Timing a declaration when the forecast is for showers is not easy and I think the best course of action is to assume no rain at all. I live about ten miles from Lords yet had the match been where I live then most of Saturday would've been a wash out but they'd have played a lot more cricket on Sunday and Monday. Even on poster's predictions on here for Monday's forecast ranged between occasional showers and a total washout. That they only managed 20 overs in the last innings suggests Cook was never likely to have been able to force a win.

I expect English cricket fans to demonstrate a better understanding of the vagaries of English weather.
It's only the one poster, isn't it? Plus he admitted to paying no attention to forecasts in one of the lines of his post I managed to extract from all the less revealing bits so we should probably pay similar amount of attention to his musings on how Cook should have managed the uncertain weather.
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It's only the one poster, isn't it? Plus he admitted to paying no attention to forecasts in one of the lines of his post I managed to extract from all the less revealing bits so we should probably pay similar amount of attention to his musings on how Cook should have managed the uncertain weather.
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