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Old 13th October 2015, 21:14   #1
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Potential one-day tournament in Abu Dhabi

Strauss seems to be flying the kite for a North v South county competition, probably in Abu Dhabi.

I think this is one of the better suggestions.

I've long advocated having an additional layer between county and the full England team to act as some sort of trials. My own preference would be to make it a 6 team competition

London - Essex, Middlesex, Surrey
South - Kent, Sussex, Hants
North - Durham, Lancs, Yorks
West - Glamorgan, Somerset, Gloucestershire
East Midlands - Notts, Derby, Leicester
West Midlands - Warwickshire, Worcestershire, Northants

(2016 division 1 teams in bold)
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Yeah but county cricket will get destroyed innit
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Strauss seems to be flying the kite for a North v South county competition, probably in Abu Dhabi.

I think this is one of the better suggestions.

I've long advocated having an additional layer between county and the full England team to act as some sort of trials. My own preference would be to make it a 6 team competition

London - Essex, Middlesex, Surrey
South - Kent, Sussex, Hants
North - Durham, Lancs, Yorks
West - Glamorgan, Somerset, Gloucestershire
East Midlands - Notts, Derby, Leicester
West Midlands - Warwickshire, Worcestershire, Northants

(2016 division 1 teams in bold)
Like the South African system?
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Old 14th October 2015, 07:24   #4
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If it meant reducing the hideously overblown domestic 50 overs competition, it'd certainly have some worth. I'm not quite sure how well it might serve as a trial, though. We had Test trial matches back in the day and they largely proved of little value in formulating the optimum XI of the day.
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Trouble is any tournament played abroad would just have the feel of a pre-season friendly due to it being so distant an in non-English conditions.
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Trouble is any tournament played abroad would just have the feel of a pre-season friendly due to it being so distant an in non-English conditions.
This is my suspicion too. But if it satisfies the ECB's yearning for 50 overs practice, they're willing to foot the bill and it frees up a bit of space during the English season....
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Trouble is any tournament played abroad would just have the feel of a pre-season friendly due to it being so distant an in non-English conditions.
Not if the ODI team is picked on the back of it.
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Strauss seems to be flying the kite for a North v South county competition, probably in Abu Dhabi.
Isn't one of the basic purposes of domestic professional cricket that people can go and watch a team locally/within easy reach? It exists to provide a local leisure pursuit.

What's the point of it being staged over 4,000 miles away from where nearly all potential spectators live?
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Isn't one of the basic purposes of domestic professional cricket that people can go and watch a team locally/within easy reach? It exists to provide a local leisure pursuit.

What's the point of it being staged over 4,000 miles away from where nearly all potential spectators live?
The rationale would be:

1. develop English players ability on turning pitches
2. provide a showcase for English talent, which counties can then use to market off of
3. provide content for key strategic partner Sky (who may then look more kindly on some of the other changes that need their permission)
4. It's too cold to attend cricket in England in February
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This is my suspicion too. But if it satisfies the ECB's yearning for 50 overs practice, they're willing to foot the bill and it frees up a bit of space during the English season....
would it free up any space? would the counties pass up the chance of the traditional Lord's final?
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would it free up any space? would the counties pass up the chance of the traditional Lord's final?
Yeah, just trim the existing 50 overs thing to a smaller B&H style tournament or, better still, a straight knockout.
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I don't see why the 50 overs competition gets so much stick, they only play what, 8 group matches in a short block in late summer when in theory conditions should be at their best, and the England team has been able to pick new players who have learnt to play the new style of cricket with success. Even if crowds aren't great, surely they're still bigger than in the Championship, and any talk of that getting cut sends the diehards wobbling.
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I don't see why the 50 overs competition gets so much stick, they only play what, 8 group matches in a short block in late summer when in theory conditions should be at their best, and the England team has been able to pick new players who have learnt to play the new style of cricket with success. Even if crowds aren't great, surely they're still bigger than in the Championship, and any talk of that getting cut sends the diehards wobbling.
Two different animals, though. First class cricket exists purely to be first class cricket. One day cricket exists purely to make money; if it's falling short in that regard, then something has to change. (I really enjoy the domestic 50 overs competition but can't in all honesty mount a defence for it to continue in its present state).
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I wouldn't be massively against this if it meant that he traditional 50 over straight knock out tournament was bought back. I doubt this will help players bridge the gap to international cricket though. It will be exciting to have some cricket to watch in February to get ready for the new season.
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The rationale would be:

1. develop English players ability on turning pitches
2. provide a showcase for English talent, which counties can then use to market off of
3. provide content for key strategic partner Sky (who may then look more kindly on some of the other changes that need their permission)
4. It's too cold to attend cricket in England in February
All that makes perfect sense (though not sure what TV audience it would attract) - but... it seems a bit of a paradox to be talking about players going to play full-on in February when all the recent talk has been about players having too much on.

And if the pay-off for this was to be more downtime in the season proper, I am sure the county cricket message boards would be more than ever full of complaints if their side was found to be having two weeks off in August for "rest".
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All that makes perfect sense (though not sure what TV audience it would attract) - but... it seems a bit of a paradox to be talking about players going to play full-on in February when all the recent talk has been about players having too much on.

And if the pay-off for this was to be more downtime in the season proper, I am sure the county cricket message boards would be more than ever full of complaints if their side was found to be having two weeks off in August for "rest".
I've long suspected the 'players need time off' claim to be nothing more than a big fat ruse to eventually clear parts of the calendar for further T20 events.
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Yeah, just trim the existing 50 overs thing to a smaller B&H style tournament or, better still, a straight knockout.
but they are equally reluctant to withgo the income that comes with 3 or 4 home games when in a straight knock out half the counties are out after one game.
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but they are equally reluctant to withgo the income that comes with 3 or 4 home games when in a straight knock out half the counties are out after one game.
They'll receive adequate revenue from the additional T20 games which fill the void.
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All that makes perfect sense (though not sure what TV audience it would attract) - but... it seems a bit of a paradox to be talking about players going to play full-on in February when all the recent talk has been about players having too much on.

And if the pay-off for this was to be more downtime in the season proper, I am sure the county cricket message boards would be more than ever full of complaints if their side was found to be having two weeks off in August for "rest".
To be fair I think the players' complaint has been about the relentlessness of the schedule and how they can't prepare properly for formats as they keep switching rather than playing too much in a year, but your second point is taken. I think there's also an additional point which is when players are playing T20 in a block there isn't time for them to regain form.
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Isn't one of the basic purposes of domestic professional cricket that people can go and watch a team locally/within easy reach? It exists to provide a local leisure pursuit.

What's the point of it being staged over 4,000 miles away from where nearly all potential spectators live?
Exactly. It's as daft as the proposed '39th Premier League matches' to be staged around the world, except this probably wouldn't even make any money.

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I don't see why the 50 overs competition gets so much stick, they only play what, 8 group matches in a short block in late summer when in theory conditions should be at their best, and the England team has been able to pick new players who have learnt to play the new style of cricket with success. Even if crowds aren't great, surely they're still bigger than in the Championship, and any talk of that getting cut sends the diehards wobbling.
But I'm not interested in 50 overs cricket, if I'm going to spend a whole day watching cricket I want to see Championship cricket, not a 50 overs match with contrived regulations that are increasingly tailored towards producing bigger and bigger scores. And this 50 overs competition played in blocks in July & August means a big gap with little or no Championship cricket for me just at the height of Summer.
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