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Old 11th April 2018, 08:30   #1221
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Still a loss for them although I would have thought that he would likely have less impact in late May over here.
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Old 10th May 2018, 13:35   #1222
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Which Overton and Curran?
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Which Overton and Curran?
I would guess Craig and Tom respectively. Craig cos his bro is usually injured, Tom because his bro was at school!
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Which Overton and Curran?
Jamie and Sam haven't played international cricket yet.
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"I'd love to play all formats. Like I said, I love playing cricket. I think Test cricket is the pinnacle. I'd love to try and play 100 Test matches, I don't know whether I'll get there. I'm at 86, so that's about 14 more, but being a World Cup year, there's a lot of white-ball emphasis right now. So I think we've only got five Tests until around this time next year.


"So if I'm going to look to play the 100 Test matches, I'm going to be around for the next three years. That's 38. I think I can do it. The body seems fine. I've always been fit. It's a mental thing. How long do you actually want to do it for. If you've got a family and if you've got kids - which I don't but I do have a girlfriend and two dogs that miss me - and how much are you willing to give up. I think AB [de Villiers] hit the nail on the head. He's got two young kids and he's looking at life after cricket right now. He's reached that point but I'm not there right now."

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Bowlers in the England set up
Tests ODIs 20/20s and Lions
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First class
234 games 7944.4 overs 909 wickets at 25.40 econ 2.90 s/r 52.4 44/6 - Anderson (36)
199 games 6303.4 overs 706 wickets at 27.52 econ 3.08 s/r 53.5 27/3 - Broad (32)
155 games 3951.5 overs 452 wickets at 31.57 econ 3.61 s/r 52.4 11/1 - Plunkett (33)
149 games 4441.0 overs 531 wickets at 28.96 econ 3.46 s/r 50.1 13/1 - Finn (29)
140 games 3941.5 overs 474 wickets at 25.69 econ 3.09 s/r 49.8 19/4 - Woakes (29)
121 games 2399.3 overs 281 wickets at 29.85 econ 3.49 s/r 51.2 7/1 - Stokes (27)
102 games 2937.2 overs 366 wickets at 25.52 econ 3.18 s/r 48.1 16/3 - Roland-Jones (30)
102 games 2853.2 overs 304 wickets at 32.09 econ 3.41 s/r 56.3 9/0 - Jordan (29)
76 games 2044.5 overs 239 wickets at 26.78 econ 3.13 s/r 51.3 4/0 - COverton (24)
66 games 1554.0 overs 167 wickets at 30.53 econ 3.28 s/r 55.8 5/1 - Willey (28)
66 games 1869.1 overs 264 wickets at 23.85 econ 3.36 s/r 42.4 10/2 - Porter (25)
58 games 1695.3 overs 192 wickets at 28.61 econ 3.24 s/r 52.9 7/1 - T Curran (23)
53 games 1170.4 overs 129 wickets at 32.94 econ 3.63 s/r 54.4 2/0 - JOverton (24)
52 games 1308.2 overs 173 wickets at 26.18 econ 3.46 s/r 45.3 6/0 - Ball (27)
49 games 1285.4 overs 151 wickets at 27.94 econ 3.28 s/r 51.0 8/0 - Wood (28)
47 games 1106.2 overs 131 wickets at 28.88 econ 3.42 s/r 50.6 6/1 - S Curran (20)
34 games 994.2 overs 127 wickets at 26.77 econ 3.42 s/r 46.9 7/2 - Topley (24)
34 games 854.1 overs 116 wickets at 24.21 econ 3.28 s/r 44.1 5/1 - Stone (24)
32 games 658.5 overs 75 wickets at 29.92 econ 3.40 s/r 52.6 2/1 - Coughlin (25)
26 games 663.2 overs 91 wickets at 24.96 econ 3.42 s/r 43.7 4/0 - Tongue (20)
24 games 629.5 overs 93 wickets at 22.07 econ 3.25 s/r 40.6 5/0 - Gleeson (30)
22 games 507.0 overs 54 wickets at 31.35 econ 3.33 s/r 56.3 1/0 - Helm (24)
10 games 231.1 overs 24 wickets at 39.25 econ 4.07 s/r 57.7 0/0 - Garton (21)
7 games 159.3 overs 21 wickets at 26.38 econ 3.47 s/r 45.5 0/0 - Mahmood (21)

List A
255 games 2069.0 overs 352 wickets at 28.41 econ 4.83 s/r 35.2 - Anderson (36)
195 games 1403.0 overs 255 wickets at 30.33 econ 5.51 s/r 33.0 - Plunkett (33)
156 games 1121.0 overs 186 wickets at 33.10 econ 5.49 s/r 36.1 - Woakes (29)
151 games 1249.2 overs 216 wickets at 30.51 econ 5.27 s/r 34.7 - Broad (32)
143 games 657.4 overs 122 wickets at 31.07 econ 5.76 s/r 32.3 - Stokes (27)
142 games 1122.5 overs 200 wickets at 28.81 econ 5.13 s/r 33.6 - Finn (29)
121 games 732.4 overs 131 wickets at 31.64 econ 5.65 s/r 33.5 - Willey (28)
88 games 622.4 overs 104 wickets at 34.86 econ 5.82 s/r 35.9 - Ball (27)
78 games 596.4 overs 117 wickets at 29.01 econ 5.68 s/r 30.5 - Jordan (29)
71 games 538.2 overs 113 wickets at 24.29 econ 5.09 s/r 28.5 - Roland-Jones (30)
64 games 476.1 overs 98 wickets at 27.11 econ 5.57 s/r 29.1 - TCurran (23)
63 games 490.0 overs 75 wickets at 34.78 econ 5.32 s/r 39.2 - Wood (28)
58 games 446.4 overs 70 wickets at 34.54 econ 5.41 s/r 38.2 - COverton (24)
55 games 426.2 overs 93 wickets at 25.44 econ 5.54 s/r 27.5 - Topley (24)
50 games 376.0 overs 68 wickets at 30.63 econ 5.53 s/r 33.1 - S Curran (20)
31 games 217.4 overs 37 wickets at 32.29 econ 5.49 s/r 35.2 - Helm (24)
30 games 190.5 overs 40 wickets at 31.10 econ 6.51 s/r 28.6 - JOverton (24)
28 games 177.3 overs 24 wickets at 39.54 econ 5.34 s/r 44.3 - Stone (25)
26 games 162.5 overs 18 wickets at 50.83 econ 5.61 s/r 54.2 - Coughlin (25)
21 games 140.1 overs 28 wickets at 29.14 econ 5.82 s/r 30.0 - Gleeson (30)
21 games 151.4 overs 28 wickets at 27.64 econ 5.10 s/r 32.5 - Porter (25)
16 games 112.0 overs 20 wickets at 36.30 econ 6.48 s/r 33.6 - Garton (21)
14 games 95.3 overs 17 wickets at 34.88 econ 6.20 s/r 33.7 - Mahmood (21)
7 games 45.3 overs 8 wickets at 37.37 econ 6.57 s/r 34.1 - Tongue (20)

Going by averages and economy, bowlers not mentioned in ODIs
Finn, Roland-Jones, Topley and Helm. J Overton very good strike rate but expensive. All very tall bowlers.

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Injuries to the England's fast bowlers
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Anderson - Test debut May 2003
Sep 2003 - left knee, rested from Bangladesh tour
Nov 2003 - twisted ankle after 1st ODI in SL. Two rained off, misses 2 Tests.
Jun 2004 - bruised heel misses 2 Tests v NZ and 1 v WI
Mar 2006 - stress fracture, misses 3 Tests/5 ODIs SL and 4 Tests/5 ODIs Pak
Jan 2007 - leaves CB series after stiff back
Mar 2007 - breaks little finger but plays in World Cup
Nov 2007 - ankle injury misses warm up in SL
Sep 2009 - carrying knee injury from 4th Ashes Test and rested from 2 ODIs
Dec 2009 - plays 4 Tests with knee injury in SA
Jan 2010 - rested from Bangladesh tour 2 Tests
Oct 2010 - broken rib in Germany
Dec 2010 - back scan after Perth Ashes but plays in next 2 Ashes Tests.
May 2011 - side strain, misses 2nd Test SL
Aug 2011 - hamstring doesn't miss any Tests
Dec 2013 - cracked rib didn't miss the 3 remaining Ashes Tests. Fit again end of Feb
Nov 2014 - given an extra six weeks to recover from a knee niggle and misses SL ODIs
Jan 2015 - stiff groin, misses 1st ODI in Australia
July 2015 - side strain, misses 4th & 5th Ashes Test
Dec 2015 - stiff calf, misses 1st Test v SA
June 2016 - shoulder injury .. misses f/c game for Lancs & 1st Test Pak
Aug 2016 - ongoing shoulder rehab - misses 2 cc games
Sep 2016 - ongoing shoulder rehab - misses 2 Tests in Bangladesh in Oct & 1st Test in India Nov, misses 5th Test due to stiff body
May 2017 - groin tear
June 2018 - further shoulder rehab for 6 weeks

Broad - Test debut Dec 2007
Nov 2008 - knee injury in warm up match before ODIs in India, plays all matches.
Sep 2009 - knee problem, misses 2 ODIs v Aus
Oct 2009 - torn buttock, misses 1 ODI in Champions Trophy.
Mar 2010 - plays in Bangladesh with a back problem but misses 3rd ODI & rested for Ban home for S&C
Nov 2009 - shoulder injury, misses 2 ODIs v SA
Dec 2010 - abdominal muscle tear misses 3 Ashes Tests and ODIs.
Mar 2011 - side strain misses 4 ODIs in World Cup and IPL
Sep 2011 - muscle tear to shoulder misses ODI series in India
Mar 2012 - misses 2nd Test SL and IPL with calf strain
Dec 2012 - heel injury misses 2 warm up matches
May 2013 - knee injury, misses 2 ODIs v NZ
Jun 2013 - stiff shoulder, has cortisone injection and misses Essex warm up game.
July 2013 - misses first innings in 1st Ashes Test - hit on shoulder by Pattinson.
Dec 2013 - bruised foot, hit by Johnson, misses 2nd innings.
Jan 2014 - sore knee, misses 2 ODIs in Australia
Mar 2014 - patella tendinitis, misses two 20/20s v WI
Aug 2014 - Broad to have knee surgery and likely to miss the SL ODIs. Recovery 3 to 4 months.
Aug 2014 - broken nose
Sep 2014 - operation to knee
Aug 2016 - stress reaction in left ankle. Rested from cc games
Nov 2016 - toe tendon injury
June 2017 - heel injury only bowls 1 over in 2nd inns v Leics. Scan
Dec 2017 - ongoing heel and knee. Has a scan after fluid drained from knee
Sep 2018 - broken rib

Woakes - Test debut Aug 2013
May 2011 - sore shins - misses out Lions v Sri Lanka
Oct 2011 - strained quad, misses out ODIs v India
Mar 2015 - metarsal stress reaction, misses out last ODI in WC and out of West Indies tour
Apr 2015 - knee problem, operation for a meniscal tear, misses England v NZ Tests
Sep 2015 - right thigh problem, misses last 2 ODIs v Aus
Nov 2016 - cracked finger and knee niggle
May 2017 - quad niggle, misses 2nd ODI v SA
Jun 2017 - side strain, out of CT
Dec 2017 - sore side, misses 4th Ashes Test
June 2018 - torn right quad muscle
June 2018 - chronic right knee problem, injections and misses ODIs against Australia
July 2018 - right quad

Stokes - Test debut Dec 2013
Jun 2011 - dislocated finger, out for 6 to 8 weeks
Nov 2011 - out for six months after surgery on right index finger
May 2012 - back injury, misses Lions v WI at home
Mar 2014 - fractured right wrist, has surgery & misses 20/20 WC and first month of the season
Nov 2015 - injured collarbone in 3rd Test. Out of ODIs and 20/20s in UAE
May 2016 - knee injury misses 2nd innings 1st Test v SL and out for 6 weeks.
July 2016 - torn left calf muscle - misses 2nd inns 2nd Test and 3rd Test against Pakistan
May 2017 - sore shoulder in IPL, knee soreness in 1st ODI v SA only bowls 2 overs
Sep 2017 - broken hand after fight, misses 2 ODIs while banned
Jun 2018 - hamstring tear, misses 2nd Test v Pak and ODIs v Australia
Aug 2018 - knee problem between 3rd and 4th Test v India

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'There may also be some concern at Warwickshire. The county felt that Woakes required more bowling before returning to Test cricket following his spell in the IPL. To go from bowling a maximum of four overs to bowling in a Test, they felt, required more time and conditioning work. It will have been noted that both England seamers who went from the IPL to the Test team - Woakes and Stokes - without a warm-up match sustained injuries'.

I would think the injuries were picked up in the IPL and England knew this. In Stokes case he would not let on when injured and would play through it. There were concerns about him in a couple of IPL games. Was Woakes dropped because he was too expensive or injury?

Before a 1st Test bowlers would be expected to bowl 50/60 first class overs to be ready. Shouldn't the England bowling coach have some say?
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He said after Tuesday night's remarkable victory: 'I think with only a day (before) the next game, it makes it more difficult for us to put out our strongest team.

'We've always looked at series like this, and games with one day in between, as quite rigorous for the bowlers.

'Their risk of injury goes through the roof. So we'll have to see how they pull up, and what they can do.'

In the 3 ODIs so far, Wood 24.0 Willey 22.0 Plunkett 23.1. Plunkett 6 overs last night. Wood and Willey 7. Poor things.

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'There may also be some concern at Warwickshire. The county felt that Woakes required more bowling before returning to Test cricket following his spell in the IPL. To go from bowling a maximum of four overs to bowling in a Test, they felt, required more time and conditioning work. It will have been noted that both England seamers who went from the IPL to the Test team - Woakes and Stokes - without a warm-up match sustained injuries'.

I would think the injuries were picked up in the IPL and England knew this. In Stokes case he would not let on when injured and would play through it. There were concerns about him in a couple of IPL games. Was Woakes dropped because he was too expensive or injury?

Before a 1st Test bowlers would be expected to bowl 50/60 first class overs to be ready. Shouldn't the England bowling coach have some say?
In baseball pitchers transitioning from relief pitching (a dozen pitches two days out of three) to starting pitching (100+ pitches every fifth day) have to be gradually "stretched out" to build up their workload. I would think the same needs to apply to seamers transitioning from T20 to tests.
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In baseball pitchers transitioning from relief pitching (a dozen pitches two days out of three) to starting pitching (100+ pitches every fifth day) have to be gradually "stretched out" to build up their workload. I would think the same needs to apply to seamers transitioning from T20 to tests.
While true, baseball pitching and fast bowling would in general stress completely different parts of the body.
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T20s at 12 October 2018

2 T20s - 4 wickets at 6.50 econ 5.20 s/r 7.5 - Behrendorff (27)
2 T20s - 4 wickets at 6.83 econ 5.12 s/r 8.0 - Sran (23)
1 T20 - 3 wickets at 10.66 econ 8.00 s/r 8.0 - Ferguson (25)
6 T20s - 9 wickets at 12.44 econ 5.59 s/r 12.0 - Ngidi (22)
2 T20s - 3 wickets at 13.00 econ 6.50 s/r 12.0 - Kaul (28)
5 T20s - 11 wickets at 14.27 econ 8.26 s/r 10.3 - Dala (28)
4 T20s - 7 wickets at 14.71 econ 8.58 s/r 10.2 - Rance (30)
25 T20s - 39 wickets at 15.17 econ 7.46 s/r 12.2 - A Hossain (26)
22 T20s - 32 wickets at 16.34 econ 6.56 s/r 14.9 - Hassan (28)
60 T20s - 85 wickets at 16.97 econ 7.19 s/r 14.1 - Gul (31)
4 T20s - 8 wickets at 17.37 econ 9.58 s/r 10.8 - Wood (28)
42 T20s - 58 wickets at 17.39 econ 6.71 s/r 15.5 - Steyn (32)
27 T20s - 43 wickets at 17.44 econ 7.38 s/r 11.1 - Rahman (22)
18 T20s - 30 wickets at 17.53 econ 8.32 s/r 12.6 - Williams (28)
2 T20s - 3 wickets at 18.33 econ 5.87 s/r 16.0 - Kulkarni (27)
13 T20s - 21 wickets at 18.42 econ 8.41 s/r 13.1 - Sami (34)
5 T20s - 8 wickets at 18.50 econ 8.70 s/r 12.7 - Yadav (30)
22 T20s - 30 wickets at 18.86 econ 6.77 s/r 16.7 - Starc (26)
24 T20s - 36 wickets at 19.00 econ 7.96 s/r 14.3 - Faulkner (26)
22 T20s - 9 wickets at 19.11 econ 7.42 s/r 15.4 - Shanaka (26)
17 T20s - 17 wickets at 19.35 econ 7.12 s/r 16.2 - Ashraf (24)
68 T20s - 90 wickets at 19.77 econ 7.36 s/r 16.1 - Malinga (34)
14 T20s - 20 wickets at 19.90 econ 7.88 s/r 15.1 - Panyangara (30)
35 T20s - 43 wickets at 19.93 econ 6.79 s/r 17.6 - Bumrah (24)
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18 T20s - 23 wickets at 20.52 econ 6.84 s/r 18.0 - Cummins (23)
20 T20s - 24 wickets at 20.70 econ 7.60 s/r 16.3 - Wiese (30)
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8 T20s - 7 wickets at 36.14 econ 9.37 s/r 23.1 - Woakes (28)
9 T20s - 4 wickets at 36.25 econ 8.52 s/r 25.5 - Marsh (24)
5 T20s - 4 wickets at 36.25 econ 8.13 s/r 26.7 - Paul (20)
19 T20s - 12 wickets at 36.50 econ 7.84 s/r 27.9 - Ahmed (22)
16 T20s - 10 wickets at 36.70 econ 8.30 s/r 26.5 - A Ali (28)
4 T20s - 4 wickets at 36.75 econ 10.50 s/r 21.0 - Rajitha (25)
24 T20s - 20 wickets at 37.75 econ 8.79 s/r 25.7 - Mpofu (32)
13 T20s - 7 wickets at 38.57 econ 7.86 s/r 29.4 - Stonis (28)
9 T20s - 4 wickets at 39.50 econ 9.29 s/r 25.5 - Henriques (30)
9 T20s - 7 wickets at 41.00 econ 10.83 s/r 22.7 - Pradeep (31)
2 T20s - 2 wickets at 41.50 econ 11.85 s/r 21.0 - Ball (27)
10 T20s - 7 wickets at 41.71 econ 9.52 s/r 26.2 - Lakmal (31)
5 T20s - 3 wickets at 43.00 econ 6.78 s/r 38.00 - Mills (24)
18 T20s - 7 wickets at 43.57 econ 9.28 s/r 28.1 - Grandhomme (31)
1 T20 - 1 wicket at 43.00 econ 10.75 s/r 24.0 - Chahar (25)
22 T20s - 10 wickets at 49.60 econ 8.91 s/r 33.4 - Stokes (27)
11 T20s - 4 wickets at 80.75 econ 8.14 s/r 59.5 - Vitori (23)

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Bumble and others are convinced that England's bowlers are "bowling to a plan" at present. Is this a good or bad thing? Surely if something isn't working then change it? All our seam bowlers yesterday suffered from appearing too predictable, the fields set telegraphed their intentions and there rarely seems to be a plan B or C.
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Bowling at Lords
f/c matches in brackets

Woakes (5) 20.45 econ 3.43
Anderson (23) 26.47 econ 2.79
Ali (10) 28.13 econ 3.52
Curran (2) 28.42 econ 3.65
Broad (21) 29.32 econ 3.03
Rashid (6) 47.30 econ 3.44
Porter (1) 64.50 econ 3.68

Stokes (9) 30.64 econ 3.52

Wonder which ends the bowlers prefer.
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I see Jimmy's bowling average has dropped below 27 and is starting to do justice to what a great bowler he has been. Bayliss reckons he can go on for another 3 or 4 years and I agree, he still looks fit as a fiddle.
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I see Jimmy's bowling average has dropped below 27 and is starting to do justice to what a great bowler he has been. Bayliss reckons he can go on for another 3 or 4 years and I agree, he still looks fit as a fiddle.
Especially his form at home. Since the start of 2015: 22 matches, 107 wickets, ave 17.26, sr 40, 8 x 5wi.
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I see Jimmy's bowling average has dropped below 27 and is starting to do justice to what a great bowler he has been. Bayliss reckons he can go on for another 3 or 4 years and I agree, he still looks fit as a fiddle.
Which is commendable, since bowlers find it difficult to sustain the high levels and I've seen their standards dropping a bit with age.
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Especially his form at home. Since the start of 2015: 22 matches, 107 wickets, ave 17.26, sr 40, 8 x 5wi.
Those figures are absolutely ridiculous.
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Especially his form at home. Since the start of 2015: 22 matches, 107 wickets, ave 17.26, sr 40, 8 x 5wi.
I think he averages about 23 at home over his career. In comparison, Steyn averages around 19.6 from 47 home matches, with 16 5fers.

Murali took 493(!) wickets in 73 home tests, at just over 20. 45(!!) 5fers and 15(!!!) 10fers.
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I think he averages about 23 at home over his career. In comparison, Steyn averages around 19.6 from 47 home matches, with 16 5fers.

Murali took 493(!) wickets in 73 home tests, at just over 20. 45(!!) 5fers and 15(!!!) 10fers.
Not sure how useful it is to use Muralitharan's figures as a yardstick.
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That 3rd bowlers spot - from 2010

No one seems to have nailed it down. I am counting Stokes as the 4th bowler. Either the bowler gets injured and someone new comes in as an injury replacement only to disappear when said bowler is fit. Then there is also someone needed when Anderson or Broad are injured.

With Root's captaincy the 3rd bowler usually comes in about the 9th over. The ball is still hard and the lacquer is wearing off ready for swing if there is any. With the second new ball if a bowler is bowling well he will get it. Even Stokes has taken the 2nd new ball. Went for 23 for 3 overs. He has done well though as the 3rd seamer 26.36.

Woakes - has taken the new ball 7 times ave 46.87 but most of those times have been in SA and India. Can see him opening with Broad when Anderson goes. Who will be no. 3 then? Will it be Tongue or Brookes?

Finn - opened the bowling 9 times 32.33, 25 times at no 3, 26.68
Seen as the most likely and has played 36 Tests.

Wood - opened the bowling 2 times 28.20, 10 times at 3, 50.66
The difference in averages is down to playing with injury or coming back too soon. After being out for 18 months he came back and picked up 2 wickets in 3 Tests. Chosen for his pace. Can he have a good f/c rest of season and be picked for the winter tours?

Roland-Jones - most successful 3rd bowler 4 Tests 19.64 as well as S Curran 3 Tests 23.50

The others since 2010 have been Shahzad (1 Test), Sidebottom (1), Onions (2), Tremlett (9) Bresnan (21), Jordan (8), Plunkett (4), Rankin (1), Overton (3), Ball (4), T Curran (2).

Overton, Ball and T Curran are interesting. All had overseas starts but you wonder why any weren't first choice again. After the winter all three were playing in the ODIs. Porter seems flavour of the month now in Tests.

You would want 4 different types of fast bowler and I thought we had when it was Anderson swing, Broad seam, Curran left-arm swing and Stokes pace, bounce, swing.
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