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Old 13th July 2017, 19:05   #1
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2nd Test: England v South Africa 14th-18th July: Trent Bridge 2017

C'mon you guys don't leave all the hard work to me! 18 hours to go. I am looking forward to this. The track was described as "green and patchy" to me. Sounds good for Jimmy and Stu. Any TB locals want to tell us about what the weather will be like in Nottingham tomorrow.

Jimmy, Stu, Woody, Stokes. And a couple of piemen if needed. Batting not exactly rock solid.

SA? No Steyn. No Rabada. Vern and Morky are always a threat. Morris is no slouch. No de Vil, but QdK is very impressive. Amla is in the worst form of his life. If I were Faf. If I had seen SAs first day play on TV, I would have been "sitherin'". Bet he'll blast a few ears at 10 am tomorrow. SA were ****-poor at Lords. Do not expect they will be the same at 11 am tomorrow.
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Old 13th July 2017, 19:38   #2
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The weather looks OK. They'd have done well to produce a green pitch this summer. England announced an unchanged team which is fair enough, South Africa are papering over cracks but if they concentrate better than at Lord's then they can still capitalise on a fragile England batting order. I suspect England will win comfortably but wouldn't mind an upset.
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This test makes or breaks the series imo. If sa can pull out a win or be competitive the series will come alive. If not I don't see them coming back.
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Old 13th July 2017, 21:24   #4
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This test makes or breaks the series imo. If sa can pull out a win or be competitive the series will come alive. If not I don't see them coming back.
Agreed.

Can't decide whether it would be more competitive if England win the toss and bat or SA do the same.

Or whether it would be worth it to have a Test that's basically over on the first day like 60 all out, just for the glory of that day.
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The weather looks OK. They'd have done well to produce a green pitch this summer. England announced an unchanged team which is fair enough, South Africa are papering over cracks but if they concentrate better than at Lord's then they can still capitalise on a fragile England batting order. I suspect England will win comfortably but wouldn't mind an upset.
I must disagree with that to a certain extent. Green pitch is dependant on water. We get plenty of that. Put some on the pitch.

Faf will make a big difference. He will have seen the first day of the SA performance. Liken him to a SA front 5 RU forward. Wickets taken off no balls, catches dropped etc. I just don't see it happening. Unless some SA player has a death wish.
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Old 13th July 2017, 21:46   #6
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I must disagree with that to a certain extent. Green pitch is dependant on water. We get plenty of that. Put some on the pitch.

Faf will make a big difference. He will have seen the first day of the SA performance. Liken him to a SA front 5 RU forward. Wickets taken off no balls, catches dropped etc. I just don't see it happening. Unless some SA player has a death wish.
You fancy him, don't you?

Got tickets for Saturday!
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The pitch is key here. Definitely won't be as dry as Lords and I'm sure there will be some grass on it.
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You fancy him, don't you?

Got tickets for Saturday!
No, I prefer the one's with a curvier figure. In all seriousness, I think he will be a force to reckoned with.

Jammy *******. Any spares? Got good chances of Sunday but with Monday being a busy day for me, would much prefer Sat.
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No, I prefer the one's with a curvier figure. In all seriousness, I think he will be a force to reckoned with.

Jammy *******. Any spares? Got good chances of Sunday but with Monday being a busy day for me, would much prefer Sat.
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Aren't we all Ali, aren't we all?

Can't call this one. SA look rather vulnerable but England pull out a second solid test?
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No, I prefer the one's with a curvier figure. In all seriousness, I think he will be a force to reckoned with.

Jammy *******. Any spares? Got good chances of Sunday but with Monday being a busy day for me, would much prefer Sat.
I'm afraid not. As I said elsewhere, dad's going tomorrow so I hope we don't have a repeat of 2015 when he saw the match essentially won on the 1st day - again had tickets for the Saturday (3rd day) and just saw the half an hour it took England to wrap it up.
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The pitch is key here. Definitely won't be as dry as Lords and I'm sure there will be some grass on it.
Yeees, he says rubbing his hands together with some glee. (Think Boris Karloff) Well why not? We play on their turf. I doubt Perth will ever be a greentop. Or anywhere in the UAE. And we have a certain advantage in seamer firepower because Rabada said a naughty word. Trent Bridge is where Root should be asking Broad what to do, should he win the toss. I find it strange, and I hope some statto will correct me if I am wrong, Stu has taken more Test wickets than Jimmy at TB and OT combined.
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More of a Rob Key fan?
Rob Key, hah! Colin Milburn. I have been a lifelong admirer of Dawn French.

But back to the cricket, eh?
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I'm afraid not. As I said elsewhere, dad's going tomorrow so I hope we don't have a repeat of 2015 when he saw the match essentially won on the 1st day - again had tickets for the Saturday (3rd day) and just saw the half an hour it took England to wrap it up.
Wasn't really being too serious there lucky. But yes, I went to Headingly with him (my da) in '81. On the wrong day. Every time he came to my games we lost!

What do you think of England's chances in this game? We should all make a prediction. I say England to win. Batting first. 50 runs. Batting second. 4 wickets.
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Apparently England have stuck with the same XI.

Two spinners, really? I fear Dawson is going to be a spare part. It's a shame Woakes is injured
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Apparently England have stuck with the same XI.

Two spinners, really? I fear Dawson is going to be a spare part. It's a shame Woakes is injured
I think out of Dawson and Roland-Jones, Dawson is the more likely extra batsman. And it is nice to have two spinners in the team without having to decide in advance to drop a seamer or a batsman because it will certainly be a bunsen. That's the way we normally roll, but it means that we can hardly ever pick the second spinner, which means that on the occasions when a second spinner would be handy, we almost always haven't got one. Far better, since all-rounders are coming out of our ears, to have a basic XI that covers all bases. When Woakes returns he can replace whichever of the three seamers is injured instead.
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Wasn't really being too serious there lucky. But yes, I went to Headingly with him (my da) in '81. On the wrong day. Every time he came to my games we lost!

What do you think of England's chances in this game? We should all make a prediction. I say England to win. Batting first. 50 runs. Batting second. 4 wickets.
Like you I think it will be closer.
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Think SA will be a lot tighter here with du Plessis back. Of course his excellent batting helps, but it is his leadership which will make the real difference. That, together with England's inconsistency, should make this a closely fought game, even though England do have the edge when it comes to talent, especially with Rabada injured.
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England have confirmed an unchanged XI, but South Africa have one big selection call: dropping JP Duminy. Is that the end for a frustrating Test career?. They have also needed to replace Kagiso Rabada, who is suspended for this game, and it could take two players to do it. Duanne Olivier will come into the side and there's a late decision over Chris Morris will join him.
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