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Old 21st August 2019, 08:03   #6201
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Though a lot of people who worked with KP said it wasn’t hard to work with him - including the Ashes winning captain Michael Vaughan.
Vaughan also said he should never have played for England again after the texts.
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Old 26th August 2019, 21:23   #6202
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His players always spoke very highly of his captaincy and gave him the main credit for making England in to a major force in one day cricket. In fact one player in both the test and ODI side compared Root unfavorably with him. He always had a fairly relaxed public persona which made it hard to form a view of him.
I'd imagine most players if they were being honest would compare the captaincy of Root unfavourably with a stick of celery so I'm not sure that means much.

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It only takes a bit of logic to be applied to think that such an accusation could be more than a little bit tenuous. It was almost as though they expect people to not actually follow the game, but I guess inciting the mob was a lot more fun for the ECB and the media.
All rather tenuous it's not as though Strauss was a kid who no-one had ever seen before. Having said that I don't think anyone came out of that episode well (other than the SA team).
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Old 11th September 2019, 08:10   #6203
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Oh look. Here is KP being a ***** again. This time saying leach has become a laughing stock and has not done anything of note with the ball.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cr...etain-urn.html

Series averages
Lyon 16 wickets at 37
Leach 8 wickets at 30

Now let’s look at matches where they have both played so comparable by removing the brum Bunsen.

Leach 8 wickets at 30
Lyon 7 wickets at 61

Lyon struggled as we set a record chase at headingley and couldn’t bowl us out last day at OT. Leach played crucial role in headingley miracle and showed more fight than most of the top 6.

Just when you forget what a helmet KP is, he strikes.
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Old 11th September 2019, 09:07   #6204
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I don’t think KP has ever understood the English character or humour.
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Old 11th September 2019, 10:07   #6205
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I don’t think KP has ever understood the English character or humour.
Correct. Having read the article he didn't like how he had become a cult figure with the crowd having Leach masks etc that could be seen as taking the p*ss out of him rather denoting any great achievement. Panesar had similar back in his time. I think he believes cult figures should be ones who actually have made a real impact.

You could say that the 1* was a great achievement of course, although that was partially allowed through Lyon cocking up the run-out.

I don't think Leach has bowled badly overall this series although his early overs in the first innings at OT I thought were pretty poor and then there was THAT overstep.

https://blog.betway.com/cricket/kevi...h-ashes-tests/
Here was his original article which was sensationalised by Daily Mail. He wasn’t as disparaging of Leach as the Mail made out but he is harsh with regards to Leach’s overall bowling.
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Old 11th September 2019, 13:53   #6206
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Correct. Having read the article he didn't like how he had become a cult figure with the crowd having Leach masks etc that could be seen as taking the p*ss out of him rather denoting any great achievement. Panesar had similar back in his time. I think he believes cult figures should be ones who actually have made a real impact.

You could say that the 1* was a great achievement of course, although that was partially allowed through Lyon cocking up the run-out.

I don't think Leach has bowled badly overall this series although his early overs in the first innings at OT I thought were pretty poor and then there was THAT overstep.

https://blog.betway.com/cricket/kevi...h-ashes-tests/
Here was his original article which was sensationalised by Daily Mail. He wasn’t as disparaging of Leach as the Mail made out but he is harsh with regards to Leach’s overall bowling.
I can't access the blog as betting sites are blocked but do people really think that how Monty was treated was helpful?
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Old 11th September 2019, 16:22   #6207
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I can't access the blog as betting sites are blocked but do people really think that how Monty was treated was helpful?
Probably not but it didn't cause his fielding and batting to be so rubbish either.
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Old 11th September 2019, 23:17   #6208
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I'm a KP fan but that's some seriously crap analysis.
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Old 12th September 2019, 06:52   #6209
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Oh look. Here is KP being a ***** again. This time saying leach has become a laughing stock and has not done anything of note with the ball.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cr...etain-urn.html

Series averages
Lyon 16 wickets at 37
Leach 8 wickets at 30

Now let’s look at matches where they have both played so comparable by removing the brum Bunsen.

Leach 8 wickets at 30
Lyon 7 wickets at 61

Lyon struggled as we set a record chase at headingley and couldn’t bowl us out last day at OT. Leach played crucial role in headingley miracle and showed more fight than most of the top 6.

Just when you forget what a helmet KP is, he strikes.
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I'm a KP fan but that's some seriously crap analysis.
You've been on this board a long time, Sharky, surely your used to SV's crap analysis?

Leach may have a better average than Lyon but he went at nearly 4 an over in the last test, compared to just over 2 for Lyon. Lyon may not be bowling well, but he's not letting England get away and score more freely. Since Lords, Leach has been ****. It might be another thing KP is pilloried for at the time, but turns out later on that he was right.
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Old 12th September 2019, 08:53   #6210
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You've been on this board a long time, Sharky, surely your used to SV's crap analysis?

Leach may have a better average than Lyon but he went at nearly 4 an over in the last test, compared to just over 2 for Lyon. Lyon may not be bowling well, but he's not letting England get away and score more freely. Since Lords, Leach has been ****. It might be another thing KP is pilloried for at the time, but turns out later on that he was right.
It was a good thing that I was able to see through the Sir Virgs crap analysis or more to the point actually read Pietersen's comments in full which were nowhere near as brusque as one might believe. I agree that he wasn't good last test although he is a little harsh overall IMO.
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Old 12th September 2019, 17:06   #6211
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It was a good thing that I was able to see through the Sir Virgs crap analysis or more to the point actually read Pietersen's comments in full which were nowhere near as brusque as one might believe. I agree that he wasn't good last test although he is a little harsh overall IMO.
It reads as someone who's just frustrated at how the Ashes have played out. I expect, however, that he sees Leach as another inadequate county journeyman, and we know his opinion on such players. Whether that's fair or not, only time will tell.
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Old 12th September 2019, 17:53   #6212
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It was a good thing that I was able to see through the Sir Virgs crap analysis or more to the point actually read Pietersen's comments in full which were nowhere near as brusque as one might believe. I agree that he wasn't good last test although he is a little harsh overall IMO.
But the main argument against KP’s comments is his belief that the spectators wearing wigs and specs and funny teeth are laughing AT Leach when in fact his batting v Ireland and his stand with Stokes at Headingley have made him a hero. As I said in a previous post, KP doesn’t ‘get’ the England cricket fan.
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Old 12th September 2019, 18:13   #6213
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Leach appears to be believing his own hype as a batsman in constantly trying to steal the stroke of Buttler.
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Old 12th September 2019, 18:29   #6214
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But the main argument against KP’s comments is his belief that the spectators wearing wigs and specs and funny teeth are laughing AT Leach when in fact his batting v Ireland and his stand with Stokes at Headingley have made him a hero. As I said in a previous post, KP doesn’t ‘get’ the England cricket fan.
How are the funny teeth not laughing at him?

What they are celebrating - and maybe 'the' English cricket fan may be too dense to realise this - is him being crap, hence the funny teeth. Nobody is dressing up as Joe Root if Joe Root scores 1* because Joe Root's not crap. Stokes was the hero at Headingley.

Leach isn't portrayed as a hero, they emphasis his undesirable features - his poor vision, his lack of hair and apparently his goofy teeth. They get kids to play him. He's portrayed as low status to Stokes' high status.

If all your work colleagues dressed their kids up as a caricature of you, over-emphasizing your negative physical features, and paraded them in front of you would you take that as a compliment?
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How are the funny teeth not laughing at him?

What they are celebrating - and maybe 'the' English cricket fan may be too dense to realise this - is him being crap, hence the funny teeth. Nobody is dressing up as Joe Root if Joe Root scores 1* because Joe Root's not crap. Stokes was the hero at Headingley.

Leach isn't portrayed as a hero, they emphasis his undesirable features - his poor vision, his lack of hair and apparently his goofy teeth. They get kids to play him. He's portrayed as low status to Stokes' high status.

If all your work colleagues dressed their kids up as a caricature of you, over-emphasizing your negative physical features, and paraded them in front of you would you take that as a compliment?
Of course Stokes was the hero of Headingley, but he wouldn’t have been without Leach. Stokes was very appreciative of his contribution and the fans recognise this. You may not have noticed that the people in Leach fancy dress are cheering him, not jeering.

I’d suggest that your sense of humour is on the same level as KP’s. Which will no doubt please you.
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Old 13th September 2019, 13:31   #6216
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Of course Stokes was the hero of Headingley, but he wouldn’t have been without Leach. Stokes was very appreciative of his contribution and the fans recognise this. You may not have noticed that the people in Leach fancy dress are cheering him, not jeering.

I’d suggest that your sense of humour is on the same level as KP’s. Which will no doubt please you.
You didn't answer the question.
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I have to say, I find it a bit weird that we try to make cult heroes out of the unlikeliest players.

Then again, I have always defended KP.
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I watched the 4th episode of the KP genius thread. I doubt many will have changed their minds watching this series, but it reiterated to me how dysfunctional the changing room and leadership was in that Ashes tour. That England were so humiliated in that series had almost nothing to do with KP, but he reacted badly giving the ECB an excuse to ditch him.

I don’t agree with KP that Flower is a terrible coach, but he is clearly a very rigid one with poor man-management skills.
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I find myself in agreement with KP on the matter of Leech.
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I have to say, I find it a bit weird that we try to make cult heroes out of the unlikeliest players.

Then again, I have always defended KP.
That's sort of the definition of cult hero isn't it?
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