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Old 25th August 2019, 00:28   #901
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It was horrible.
Utter nonsense, and you've already admitted you just watched the highlights only.

A half ton is still a half ton and in the context of this match it was worth a century.

I don't particularly rate Denly but today he manned up.
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Old 25th August 2019, 06:26   #902
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Utter nonsense, and you've already admitted you just watched the highlights only.

A half ton is still a half ton and in the context of this match it was worth a century.

I don't particularly rate Denly but today he manned up.
I listened all the way to Hereford from Warwick and all the way back and watched the highlights. He must have played 5 or six booming drives that missed the ball and was very very lucky not to get an edge. Just because he got lucky didnít edge one doesnít change the fact he played ridiculous shots. Also vs the short ball the radio bods were making the point he took his eye off the ball the the second it was short and this is something TV also discussed. Yes he got fifty but letís not pretend it was not full of very poor shots, lots of luck and a very large proportion of his runs came off flying edges. He got off the mark with an edge on a ball he was leaving ffs.

I am sure he is a nice bloke but I struggle to believe that anyone who watched that could possibly think he is an international quality batsman, let alone one who should move up to opener. It was the sort of innings you would see from a number 9 who keeps getting hit and isnít good enough to edge it with the bowling side getting more and more frustrated.
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Old 25th August 2019, 07:24   #903
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Hate to agree with SVAZ but to further his point you can take a hundred as being reasonably sure the batsman played well even if not chanceless, a fifty is a lot easier to reach with plenty of false shots, chances survived and fortune. Batsmen down the order chalk up fifties, some of them more convincing than Denly's even if you can dress it up as being somehow better because of the match situation

Think it may have been Cook talking up lots of 20s and 30s and how "getting in" is the hard part, actually it's maybe half the battle won but half a battle won isn't enough unless others around you win their's

Burns scored a hundred in a losing cause, 20s and 30s would have bolstered the 1st innings score here but some of the batting up top is unconvincing regardless of score.

I said a while ago plenty of those went before Burns et al scored a hundred, and then immediately reverted to the struggle that preceded it. Burns has followed up his hundred with 11, 53, 29, 9 and 7, that may look reasonable but it's actually 109 runs @ 21.80 and he laboured to make most of those without bringing in the chances aspect.....

Burns has faced 50+ balls eight times in 20 innings (40%), yet scored 30+ only five times (25%) - and no I didn't pick that 30+ 'bar' because I knew he had two scores of 29, only realised that just before I added this bit. (lowered it from 40 already not that 30+ or 40+ would make a difference)

Is Denly any better? Equally struggles to make runs sometimes, 49 balls for his 12 1st innings and that not without chance as I recall, he's reached 30+ in only three innings (25%) and faced 50+ balls six times

Even though he has reached double figures all but in his first Test innings he has not converted many starts, reaching double figures EIGHT times (66.67%) without reaching 30

Is either any better than eg Malan? Probably not. England have already shifted Denly down two spots in the order, ironically he was averaging 37.33 at #3 . You'd think by the law of averages England would have picked at least one batsman capable of making a Test career to supplement the longer serving batsmen. So far most are just stealing caps, Denly, Jennings, Burns, Malan, Stoneman, Westley, Lyth, Roy et al.

Couldn't believe mentions made of Roy, referencing his 72 yet not that it was scored batting #3 whereas opening his record is 7 inns, 62 runs @ 8.86 with a HS of 28 and FIVE scores in single figures. If England truly want him to have a Test career they have to bat him down the order, not that that guarantees him safety from the new ball in this line up!
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Old 25th August 2019, 10:24   #904
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I listened all the way to Hereford from Warwick and all the way back and watched the highlights. He must have played 5 or six booming drives that missed the ball and was very very lucky not to get an edge. Just because he got lucky didn’t edge one doesn’t change the fact he played ridiculous shots. Also vs the short ball the radio bods were making the point he took his eye off the ball the the second it was short and this is something TV also discussed. Yes he got fifty but let’s not pretend it was not full of very poor shots, lots of luck and a very large proportion of his runs came off flying edges. He got off the mark with an edge on a ball he was leaving ffs.

I am sure he is a nice bloke but I struggle to believe that anyone who watched that could possibly think he is an international quality batsman, let alone one who should move up to opener. It was the sort of innings you would see from a number 9 who keeps getting hit and isn’t good enough to edge it with the bowling side getting more and more frustrated.
In fairness, every batsman who has stayed in this match has played and missed often throughout their innings, but agree that Denly is still not test quality.
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Old 25th August 2019, 10:34   #905
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In fairness, every batsman who has stayed in this match has played and missed often throughout their innings, but agree that Denly is still not test quality.
There is playing and missing and playing and missing though. Warner vs broad he played the line and was beaten. Denly was beaten by massive drives at balls he had no business going after.
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Old 25th August 2019, 13:45   #906
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Wasn’t impressed with Denly on TMS last night. Obfuscated for all the questions.
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Old 25th August 2019, 14:12   #907
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Wasn’t impressed with Denly on TMS last night. Obfuscated for all the questions.
Could he not explain whether the Yellowhammer dossier was a worst case scenario or not? What did he say about chlorinated chicken?
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I think Denly’s “gritty” 50 will earn him a stay of execution. Sibley and Pope for Roy and Buttler for me. If Jimmy is able to prove his fitness I guess he’ll replace Woakes, who had a poor game and looked tired.
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Old 25th August 2019, 17:46   #909
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I think Denly’s “gritty” 50 will earn him a stay of execution. Sibley and Pope for Roy and Buttler for me. If Jimmy is able to prove his fitness I guess he’ll replace Woakes, who had a poor game and looked tired.
I think Denly is probably safe for the rest of the series, though I’m itching for Sibley to get called up. Roy is toast, and the word on the street seems to favour Hales - as horrible as that sounds. Though I’m totally in the camp favouring Pope performing requiem mass at Old Trafford.

Think it would be hard on Woakes to drop him after this test, he has been good up until now. And is Anderson really ready to last a five day game? It’s time to let that pigeon fly.
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If Jimmy can get more overs in before the next Test I'd definitely swap him for Woakes, whose batting looks shot and doesn't offer as much as Jimmy with the ball. I don't think Jofra needs the new ball, I'd rather keep him as fresh as possible for when Smith starts his innings.

The batting, God knows. Swapping Denly and Roy around for a start would help, but how much I'm not sure. I still don't know why they didnt look at Sibley in the Ireland game. Ludicrous decision that was.
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I think Denly is probably safe for the rest of the series, though I’m itching for Sibley to get called up. Roy is toast, and the word on the street seems to favour Hales - as horrible as that sounds.
LOL. What street is that!? Hales is still persona non grata and is ineligible for selection as he has a white ball only contract with Notts.
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LOL. What street is that!? Hales is still persona non grata and is ineligible for selection as he has a white ball only contract with Notts.
Is that really a rule? Wasn't Rashid on a white-ball-only contract when he was called up for test duty last summer? Hales is certainly in form at the moment and at least tried to play like a test match opener last time he was asked to.
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Is that really a rule? Wasn't Rashid on a white-ball-only contract when he was called up for test duty last summer? Hales is certainly in form at the moment and at least tried to play like a test match opener last time he was asked to.
Not sure if it's a rule but Sir Ed said after selecting Rashid that players would have to be playing four day cricket to be considered.

"Adil fully understands that if he wishes to be eligible for Test cricket in the 2019 season, he must have a county contract to play four-day cricket. Moving forward, England Test players must be committed to the county championship"
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Not sure if it's a rule but Sir Ed said after selecting Rashid that players would have to be playing four day cricket to be considered.

"Adil fully understands that if he wishes to be eligible for Test cricket in the 2019 season, he must have a county contract to play four-day cricket. Moving forward, England Test players must be committed to the county championship"
How many county champ games have Roy, Root, Stokes, Buttler, Bairstow, Woakes, Archer etc played this season?
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How many county champ games have Roy, Root, Stokes, Buttler, Bairstow, Woakes, Archer etc played this season?
Don't shoot the messenger, just in case you're not being rhetorical it's the answer is two.
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Don't shoot the messenger, just in case you're not being rhetorical it's the answer is two.
Thanks. I wasn't criticising you!
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Old 26th August 2019, 00:42   #917
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1 Burns
2 Denly
3 Root
4 Stokes
5 Pope
6 Foakes
7 Curran
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Was thinking about this during the debate and there's only really 4 undroppable players at the moment, Root, Stokes, Broad and Archer.

The problem is there's no first class matches between now and the next text so no chance of really getting any time in the middle either for our out of form incumbents or their potential replacements. Not such an issue for the bowlers but not exactly great either.
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The problem is there's no first class matches between now and the next text so no chance of really getting any time in the middle either for our out of form incumbents or their potential replacements. Not such an issue for the bowlers but not exactly great either.
Well there is - Derbyshire v the Australians. Maybe it's already been mentioned on the forum, but it's been mentioned in the media that Jimmy could play.

Can't see any worth in anyone else playing in that game. Ollie Pope just smashed a double ton and surely has to play at OT to bolster the frail batting. Still leaves the chronic opener problem unfixed. Roy really needs to be sent back to Surrey to play three red ball games and get runs if he wants to be even considered for the New Zealand Test party.

But can't see England making three changes (Pope, Anderson, Sibley? for Butter, Woakes, Roy) to a winning side.
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Ö But can't see England making three changes (Pope, Anderson, Sibley? for Butter, Woakes, Roy) to a winning side.
You're probably right, but our winning side only had two real contributors.
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