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Old 18th August 2007, 15:51   #201
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...Anyway, over 10 an over for 17 overs with 4 wickets already down in a test strikes me as significantly more prohibitively unlikely than the initial almost totally prohibitively unlikely chase of 500 in 110 overs.
Yes. I didn't want to suggest that England should have suddenly decided to go for the runs at that late stage -- they would have had to try to push things along much earlier. Rather, it's a way of showing that even without particularly trying they weren't a million miles off.

Of course the fields skew things, as does the wides rule (especially as recently interpreted), but I think the words "almost totally prohibitively unlikely" are about right -- i.e. perhaps it was nonetheless worth a try in the context of the series, given that drawing the game was of no conceivable moment except if one sets some store by the ICC test rankings (which I don't). There are no precedents for succeeding in such an attempt, but surely this is partly because that very fact is usually used as an excuse not to make the attempt. I wonder how long it will be before we start to see teams bucking the trend in such must-win situations, and trying to be a bit more imaginative and adventurous. After all, despite the fielders/wides caveats already mentioned, players these days have quite some experience from one-day cricket of chasing the almost unchaseable...

Anyway this may not be the best thread for such ruminations. Bell lit up the day, at least.
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Old 18th August 2007, 21:10   #202
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Old 19th August 2007, 10:07   #203
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Yes. I didn't want to suggest that England should have suddenly decided to go for the runs at that late stage -- they would have had to try to push things along much earlier. Rather, it's a way of showing that even without particularly trying they weren't a million miles off.

Of course the fields skew things, as does the wides rule (especially as recently interpreted), but I think the words "almost totally prohibitively unlikely" are about right -- i.e. perhaps it was nonetheless worth a try in the context of the series, given that drawing the game was of no conceivable moment except if one sets some store by the ICC test rankings (which I don't). There are no precedents for succeeding in such an attempt, but surely this is partly because that very fact is usually used as an excuse not to make the attempt. I wonder how long it will be before we start to see teams bucking the trend in such must-win situations, and trying to be a bit more imaginative and adventurous. After all, despite the fielders/wides caveats already mentioned, players these days have quite some experience from one-day cricket of chasing the almost unchaseable...

Anyway this may not be the best thread for such ruminations. Bell lit up the day, at least.
Not the England players though!
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Old 20th August 2007, 01:15   #204
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Not the England players though!
On the contrary, England are more than use to chasing the almost unchaseable in one-day cricket.
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Old 21st August 2007, 23:18   #205
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It will come as no surprise to regular posters that I would have dropped Bell for the first ODI. I am a clown.

He batted superbly today. Fingers crossed this will be a breakthrough innings for him. This is the first time (IMHO) that he has really taken responsibility and played the innings that defined the match (test or ODI). Now he's shown he's capable of it I look forward to seeing much more of it!

Well done fella.
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Didn't Bradman attribute his hand-eye co-ordination to practicing with a stump and a golf ball?
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Old 30th August 2007, 16:28   #209
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Didn't Bradman attribute his hand-eye co-ordination to practicing with a stump and a golf ball?
Apparently so, threw it against a water tank or something. Seems to have inspired this...

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Old 30th August 2007, 23:45   #210
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Apparently so, threw it against a water tank or something. Seems to have inspired this...

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Why not just trim the edges off an old bat that's out of use?
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Old 31st August 2007, 01:11   #211
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Didn't Bradman attribute his hand-eye co-ordination to practicing with a stump and a golf ball?

Better that than 'The Devil in Miss Jones'. Which is, incidentally, the way in which I practiced my...
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Old 31st August 2007, 19:04   #213
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Why not just trim the edges off an old bat that's out of use?
Because the weight and balance would be wrong
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...blame Aidan...
No need to blame anyone, BL, because we know that Ian Bell is great.
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Old 31st August 2007, 21:10   #215
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Old 1st September 2007, 11:17   #217
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Old 1st September 2007, 11:19   #218
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We just need to keep talking about Ian Bell and we'll be onto the next page before we know it.

So that innings at the Oval then, don't you all think it was irresponsible to practice his ODI batting when there was a test match to be saved?
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Old 1st September 2007, 11:23   #219
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We just need to keep talking about Ian Bell and we'll be onto the next page before we know it.

So that innings at the Oval then, don't you all think it was irresponsible to practice his ODI batting when there was a test match to be saved?
Absolutely. The FEC should know better
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Still, it does seem to have kickstarted his ODI game.
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