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Old 26th May 2015, 00:59   #301
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For me he's been the player of the season so far. I can't understand why Ansari was selected ahead of him for the Ireland match. If Bell and Ballance continue to struggle he could be the next one in.
What is with the obsession with conveyour belt selecting on the back of one game.

If Ballance "continues to struggle" - a man just 12 test matches into his career averaging 55 with 4 tons and 5 fifties....a poor game and it's neck back on the block, rediculous.
It's that revolving door selection for bog average county pros that's seen us get nowhere most of the past 30 years.

Oh and Bell scored 143 four test matches ago.
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Borthwick's problem is playing at Chester-Le-Street and not bowling enough. He gets about 1.5 wickets per match in first class cricket, which is roughly half what Rashid has got over his career. If he wants an England career then I suggest he has to move.
Sadly for him the specialist batsman who happens to be a good spinner slot appears taken. If just being considered as a batsman he has a chance but not until he scores a lot more runs.

Oh and I know you shouldn't look too hard at a young players career stats but his list A averages are 15.7 and 34.7 the wrong way around. It's fairly easy to see why Ansari got a game ahead of him.
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Old 26th May 2015, 14:46   #303
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What is with the obsession with conveyour belt selecting on the back of one game.

If Ballance "continues to struggle" - a man just 12 test matches into his career averaging 55 with 4 tons and 5 fifties....a poor game and it's neck back on the block, rediculous.
It's that revolving door selection for bog average county pros that's seen us get nowhere most of the past 30 years.

Oh and Bell scored 143 four test matches ago.
I'm a big Ballance fan but he does look out of touch. Hopefully he can score some runs in the next Test and show he can bat well against top seam bowlers.

Again, I think Bell is an excellent player but is scoring a century in one innings and then doing very little in the seven innings good enough?

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Sadly for him the specialist batsman who happens to be a good spinner slot appears taken. If just being considered as a batsman he has a chance but not until he scores a lot more runs.

Oh and I know you shouldn't look too hard at a young players career stats but his list A averages are 15.7 and 34.7 the wrong way around. It's fairly easy to see why Ansari got a game ahead of him.
It shouldn't all come down to averages. Borthwick looks to have come on well this season and should have been given a chance.
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I know bell got out to a daft shot and did little in the first innings (where he got the perfect delivery) but....he DID contribute to this test. I got bored at the league 2 play off final so had the cricket on and he did very well in testing circumstance to make the close. Had he got out then we might not have won. Small contribution? Sure. But crucial contribution? Quite possibly.
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I know bell got out to a daft shot and did little in the first innings (where he got the perfect delivery) but....he DID contribute to this test. I got bored at the league 2 play off final so had the cricket on and he did very well in testing circumstance to make the close. Had he got out then we might not have won. Small contribution? Sure. But crucial contribution? Quite possibly.
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I know bell got out to a daft shot and did little in the first innings (where he got the perfect delivery) but....he DID contribute to this test. I got bored at the league 2 play off final so had the cricket on and he did very well in testing circumstance to make the close. Had he got out then we might not have won. Small contribution? Sure. But crucial contribution? Quite possibly.
Maybe England would have won more easily if he hadn't shelled 3 catches?
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People are talking about Bell but it's a big match for Adam Lyth. If he fails again can he be risked against Australia? England's 2nd opener spot a perennial problem.
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Maybe England would have won more easily if he hadn't shelled 3 catches?
This is very true. It was not quite 2005 with gojo and kp dropping about 15 between them but close!
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This is very true. It was not quite 2005 with gojo and kp dropping about 15 between them but close!
Didn't KP drop 8 in a row or something?
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It was a shocking match. Your keeper made one Hollywood save and you should have had a pen. It was the worst nil nil ever. The extra time was effing fantasic.
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Didn't KP drop 8 in a row or something?
7 I think. I can't remember. It was bizarre because he took some great catches in his early odi games. It became a joke iirc. They both dropped a shocker at old Trafford. Gojo missed warne stumping in 40s so added about a session to the match. Idiot.
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Ashes winning idiot which is more than a certain yorker-ducking wicketkeeper I could mention.
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People are talking about Bell but it's a big match for Adam Lyth. If he fails again can he be risked against Australia? England's 2nd opener spot a perennial problem.
I haven't checked the stats but it feels like ever since Strauss retired each of Cook's partners has been worse than the last and has been ditched quicker than the last! I would say that if Lyth's the best pick on Friday then he's probably going to be the best pick for Cardiff as well, unless something surprising happens. But it would certainly be reassuring if he were to have a good match at Headingley ...
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He saw the Yorker I got him with but still couldn't play it.
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I haven't checked the stats but it feels like ever since Strauss retired each of Cook's partners has been worse than the last and has been ditched quicker than the last! I would say that if Lyth's the best pick on Friday then he's probably going to be the best pick for Cardiff as well, unless something surprising happens. But it would certainly be reassuring if he were to have a good match at Headingley ...
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7 I think. I can't remember. It was bizarre because he took some great catches in his early odi games. It became a joke iirc. They both dropped a shocker at old Trafford. Gojo missed warne stumping in 40s so added about a session to the match. Idiot.
If i recall, KP was always better in the deep when it came to taking catches. Too tall and stiff for close in, also a tendency for needlessly pinging in the ball for a run out despite the batsman being stood in the crease.
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I think Duncan Fletcher put it down to him being too excitable to field close. Fast forward 10 years and he's dropped for being disinterested in the outfield - the poor lad can't win.
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I haven't checked the stats but it feels like ever since Strauss retired each of Cook's partners has been worse than the last and has been ditched quicker than the last! I would say that if Lyth's the best pick on Friday then he's probably going to be the best pick for Cardiff as well, unless something surprising happens. But it would certainly be reassuring if he were to have a good match at Headingley ...
Hopefully he can emulate a Robson at Headingley!
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People are talking about Bell but it's a big match for Adam Lyth. If he fails again can he be risked against Australia? England's 2nd opener spot a perennial problem.
Not sure Lyth failed in the first innings - he got a very good delivery that many openers would have struggled to play well.

Why single out Lyth after just one match anyway? Perhaps concerns over other players of much longer standing have been forgotten in the victory celebrations.
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It would be ridiculous to put the sort of 'score big or you're out' pressure on Lyth in just his second test. He should get the majority of the Summer. Such knee-jerkery is too 90s for my tastes.
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