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Old 9th July 2017, 20:51   #361
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what a scintillating match. Looks like this year's Test programme could emulate the enthralling standards set by the domestic game. What a season!
Just got home from Lord's and scintillating is a good word, Rob. Just read Vic Marks on Guardian online and he used the word "startling", which is just as apt.

Everything about English cricket seems to be on a bit of a roll at present - the scintillating cricket played by the Test and one day sides; the enthalling championship season; the fantastic TV deal which guarantees the medium-term survival of all 18 counties; and the brilliant All-Stars Cricket initiative that is getting more 5-8 year olds playing the game than ever before.

Three groups of young All-Stars kids gave a great exhibition of the programme on the outfield in front of the Edrich stand at lunch. My grandson and Newham CC wasn't one of the three chosen. But next year, perhaps...

the next few weeks with the Blast in full cry should also be great fun, although the break in the CC programme is a bit frustrating.

A message to all users of this forum: ignore the miserable doom-and-gloom merchants and moaning minnies who tend to dominate on here. English cricket is not in crisis. It is in the rudest health at every level.

I know that is an unfashionable view among people of my age and when we pass 60 we are alll expected to become boring old farts ringing our hands and saying 'it's all crap and lies, the ECB are destroying cricket, everything was much better in my day 50 years ago blah blah wibble wibble'.

But I'm glad to say that I genuinely believe the exact opposite is the case.

Sorry if some find such positivity offensive. But actually I'm not that sorry!
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Old 9th July 2017, 20:53   #362
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I absolutely endorse this sentiment...

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This is the kind of short-term mediocre thinking that gets us stuck with journeymen bits and pieces players like Mo who isn't good enough in any discipline.
I don't really know where to start with this sentence other than I think it's total nonsense.
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Old 9th July 2017, 21:14   #363
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It took an awfully long time for Warne and Hussein to wake up to the fact Root was being ultra conservative with his field placings on what was, a raging bunsen with an unsurpassable lead. At one point Dawson was ragging it square and the fact Root didn't have any one or more of a gully, second slip, silly point and silly mid off in place defied belief. Which doesn't augur well if England have anything less than a 100% stonewall winning chance in any future matches.
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Old 9th July 2017, 21:16   #364
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I don't really know where to start with this sentence other than I think it's total nonsense.
This poster has previous. I suspect his real name is Jock Zebufnell.
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Old 9th July 2017, 21:18   #365
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General statement of agreement with the fact that a spinning wicket makes for much more exciting cricket and England could do with one or two more that turn on occasion.

Next test should be interesting. Without Rabada the bowling is weaker and the batting line-up already seems fragile.

Is it just me or does Quinton de Kock always look like he's about to cry? Does he have some kind of eye condition?
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Old 9th July 2017, 21:19   #366
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I absolutely endorse this sentiment...

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This is the kind of short-term mediocre thinking that gets us stuck with journeymen bits and pieces players like Mo who isn't good enough in any discipline.
There is only one way of thinking in test cricket which is to just pick a team to win the next game. Beneath that you try to develop better players to replace those in the team. Playing anyone before they are ready doesn't benefit the player, the team or make them better in the long-term. That's the same in all sport. The future may be Mason Crane but that future isn't here yet.
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Old 9th July 2017, 21:23   #367
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This poster has previous. I suspect his real name is Jock Zebufnell.
Once James Porter starts being rubbish (probably after a trip to Loughborough in the Winter) it may well be my next name.
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Yeah, half Serb so big Djokovic fans in my family. Even if he's lost the plot a bit of late.

Btw I CCT in feb. Think I was in first year of uni when I joined this board!
It's quite worrying. I was an SHO when I joined and have now been a consultant for nearly nine years. A medical student of mine from my terminal registrar job was the ITU registrar on today. Knew I recognised him from somewhere. Turned out he remembered me going on the Circle Line pub crawl with them in 2008.

Anyway, enjoy the tennis. Do you get the whole week off?
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Old 9th July 2017, 21:25   #369
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There is only one way of thinking in test cricket which is to just pick a team to win the next game. Beneath that you try to develop better players to replace those in the team. Playing anyone before they are ready doesn't benefit the player, the team or make them better in the long-term. That's the same in all sport. The future may be Mason Crane but that future isn't here yet.
But when you have somewhere between 20+ batsmen who are better and some better spinners then how is he worth his place in the...

Why am I fighting his battles for him? Haway Jock man, front up.
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Old 9th July 2017, 21:28   #370
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But when you have somewhere between 20+ batsmen who are better and some better spinners then how is he worth his place in the...

Why am I fighting his battles for him? Haway Jock man, front up.
I was amused anyway, if that makes you feel any better. Disappointed not to see Jock but he may not be able to post any more.
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It took an awfully long time for Warne and Hussein to wake up to the fact Root was being ultra conservative with his field placings on what was, a raging bunsen with an unsurpassable lead. At one point Dawson was ragging it square and the fact Root didn't have any one or more of a gully, second slip, silly point and silly mid off in place defied belief. Which doesn't augur well if England have anything less than a 100% stonewall winning chance in any future matches.
Spot on!

Watching some of the field placements in that second innings had me scratching my head. AT one stage SA were 4 down, chasing 300+ and I think it was Dawson who came on to bowl and Root gave him a single slip and one short leg. They could easily have had a silly point, maybe smo and even a second slip.

SO much for Root and his brave new world. At one stage, Dawson even had to argue his case to get more players in close. I'm glad he did.

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But when you have somewhere between 20+ batsmen who are better and some better spinners then how is he worth his place in the...

Why am I fighting his battles for him? Haway Jock man, front up.
Must be a troll.
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He'll only be rubbish if he plays for England, a step too far. Could be an Essex legend if not.
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He'll only be rubbish if he plays for England, a step too far. Could be an Essex legend if not.
That is the dream.
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The other good thing is that the tiresome Dobell seems to have finally given up on his 'sack Bairstow as keeper' obsession.

Not that he will ever admit in print that he was wrong. Which is one of the reasons given when one of his media centre colleagues told me today that his "bumptiousness" is universally disliked by his fellow reporters.

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It's quite worrying. I was an SHO when I joined and have now been a consultant for nearly nine years. A medical student of mine from my terminal registrar job was the ITU registrar on today. Knew I recognised him from somewhere. Turned out he remembered me going on the Circle Line pub crawl with them in 2008.

Anyway, enjoy the tennis. Do you get the whole week off?
Hope he didn't treat your referral with to much scorn!

Long days weds/thurs. just do fri/sat/sun normally, but I did thurs as a swap. Off down to my parents in Nottingham for Saturday at TB to look forward to though.

Dad's going on Friday too so game will probably have been won by then - he has outrageous luck - saw broads 8fer, Hales's 170 ODI innings, Fred's Ashes century in 2005...
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It took an awfully long time for Warne and Hussein to wake up to the fact Root was being ultra conservative with his field placings on what was, a raging bunsen with an unsurpassable lead. At one point Dawson was ragging it square and the fact Root didn't have any one or more of a gully, second slip, silly point and silly mid off in place defied belief. Which doesn't augur well if England have anything less than a 100% stonewall winning chance in any future matches.
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Spot on!

Watching some of the field placements in that second innings had me scratching my head. AT one stage SA were 4 down, chasing 300+ and I think it was Dawson who came on to bowl and Root gave him a single slip and one short leg. They could easily have had a silly point, maybe smo and even a second slip.

SO much for Root and his brave new world. At one stage, Dawson even had to argue his case to get more players in close. I'm glad he did.
This was Root's first match as England captain, and he comes to the post with very little previous captaincy experience. He notoriously captained Yorkshire once in a CC game in which Middlesex successfully chased a target of nearly 500 (thanks mainly to a superb knock by Chris Rogers). But in this test his first innings 199 rescued a potentially disastrous situation and put England in a commanding position. Root has only ever played test cricket under Cook's captaincy, and what they have in common is an ability to lead from the front with the bat, an attribute that is not to be dismissed lightly.

However, since the day Root became a test cricketer he has been the darling of the media and can do no wrong, so questioning his on-field tactics would have been unlikely . It was, indeed, a slight surprise that any of them actually argued Moeen's case for MoM.
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Duminy is such a spud.

There really aren't that many batsmen with worse averages batting in the top 7.

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JP Duminy (SA) 		2008-2017 	45 	29.52	spud
MJ Guptill (NZ) 	2009-2016 	47  	29.38  	opener, spud
RS Mahanama (SL) 	1986-1998 	51 	29.27 	spud
MV Boucher (SA) 	1998-2012 	117 	28.74	keeper
GJ Whittall (ZIM) 	1993-2002 	43 	28.39  	all-rounder
RP Arnold (SL) 		1997-2004 	44  	28.35 	delightful spud
IA Healy (AUS) 		1988-1999 	95  	28.10	keeper 
AW Nourse (SA) 		1902-1924 	42  	27.95 	all-rounder, different era
RC Russell (ENG) 	1988-1998 	44  	27.74	keeper 
AC Parore (NZ) 		1992-2002 	62 	27.32	keeper 
MR Ramprakash (ENG) 	1991-2002 	52 	27.32	spud 
ADR Campbell (ZIM) 	1992-2002 	60 	27.21 	zimbabwean
KR Rutherford (NZ) 	1985-1995 	55 	27.08	spud  
Imtiaz Ahmed (PAK) 	1952-1962 	41 	26.71 	keeper
RS Kaluwitharana (SL) 	1992-2004 	47 	26.61 	keeper
RW Marsh (AUS) 		1970-1983 	89 	26.59	keeper 
SMH Kirmani (INDIA) 	1976-1985 	40 	26.38 	keeper
D Ganga (WI) 		1998-2008 	47 	25.71	spud  
D Ramdin (WI) 		2005-2016 	63 	25.57	keeper 
SE Gregory (AUS) 	1890-1912 	56 	25.53 	different era
Mohammad Ashraful (BD) 	2001-2013 	61 	24.00 	all round spud
R Illingworth (ENG) 	1959-1973 	42 	23.89	all-rounder
R Benaud (AUS) 		1952-1964 	46 	23.26	all-rounder 
DL Murray (WI) 		1963-1980 	52 	23.18 	keeper
Javed Omar (BDESH) 	2001-2007 	40 	22.05  	spud supreme
TG Evans (ENG) 		1947-1959 	59 	19.12 	keeper
That's a table of all players who've batting 40 plus matches in slots 1-7 in the batting order.

Take out the keepers, and you're left with some real batting spuds. Duminy is in exalted spud-company there. How does he keep getting selected?
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