Selection Panel V: The ECB Strikes Back - Page 9

**geoff_boycotts_grandmother** · 18th June 2015, 20:38

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Originally Posted by Notts Exile

We can but hope!

Is Topley getting quicker? Last time I saw him he was slower than Gurney and Willey.

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Originally Posted by 1000yardstare

84mph was the quickest I have seen him.

He's reached at least 85.4mph on the speedo tonight.

Mixes in a lot of off-pace stuff though.

Ali TT · 18th June 2015, 20:38

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Originally Posted by Minor Maggie

So does this mean no championship cricket before the Ashes for Anderson and Broad?

It's alright, they provided a dollop of something or other in the blast a couple of Fridays ago. Well, Broad did at least.

Michelle Fivefer · 19th June 2015, 00:18

Anderson hasn't played.

Notts Exile · 19th June 2015, 10:15

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Originally Posted by geoff_boycotts_grandmother

He's reached at least 85.4mph on the speedo tonight.

Mixes in a lot of off-pace stuff though.

Yes, Mark Butcher commented that he was quicker than he'd seen before. Monty Panesar-esque in the field though, looks a real liability out there.

I'm far from convinced that he's anywhere near international class but I've been wrong before so I'll just wait and see.

sharky · 19th June 2015, 10:56

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Originally Posted by Notts Exile

Yes, Mark Butcher commented that he was quicker than he'd seen before. Monty Panesar-esque in the field though, looks a real liability out there.

I'm far from convinced that he's anywhere near international class but I've been wrong before so I'll just wait and see.

Fielding doesn't matter if you're not a spin bowler, so he should be alright.

Fatslogger · 19th June 2015, 14:07

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Originally Posted by sharky

Fielding doesn't matter if you're not a spin bowler, so he should be alright.

How many utter donkeys have we had in the field since Panesar?

Sir Virgs and Zamora · 19th June 2015, 14:17

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Originally Posted by Fatslogger

How many utter donkeys have we had in the field since Panesar?

Hales is trying his best to earn that tag. Gurney was crap. It could be argued....jos.

Fatslogger · 19th June 2015, 14:26

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Originally Posted by Sir Virgs and Zamora

Hales is trying his best to earn that tag. Gurney was crap. It could be argued....jos.

Think we were talking tests: Panesar was hardly an ODI regular. Hales hasn't been great and Gurney was also disappointing but don't think either of them could be described as donkeys. Buttler isn't a top notch keeper but hardly atrocious.

Notts Exile · 19th June 2015, 14:42

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Originally Posted by Sir Virgs and Zamora

Hales is trying his best to earn that tag.

I've seen some rubbish typed SV&Z but that's amongst the best.

Should Reece Topley get a game he will be as bad as Gurney.

**geoff_boycotts_grandmother** · 19th June 2015, 15:44

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Originally Posted by Notts Exile

Yes, Mark Butcher commented that he was quicker than he'd seen before. Monty Panesar-esque in the field though, looks a real liability out there.

I'm far from convinced that he's anywhere near international class but I've been wrong before so I'll just wait and see.

His fielding certainly needs improving, but it's not Monty Panesar-esque.

oldandfat · 19th June 2015, 16:11

My nine year old son's fielding is not "Monty Panesar-esque"!
And there in lies Monty's problem - If you cannot catch simple chances you are unpickable. His batting was never an issue and his bowling was Test class but he dropped important chances.

Fatslogger · 19th June 2015, 19:34

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Originally Posted by oldandfat

My nine year old son's fielding is not "Monty Panesar-esque"!
And there in lies Monty's problem - If you cannot catch simple chances you are unpickable. His batting was never an issue and his bowling was Test class but he dropped important chances.

He played 50 tests so he certainly wasn't unpickable but being a bad batsman and outright terrible fielder were certainly handicaps to playing more than he did. It probably didn't help him that we had another one or two dodgy fielders (nowhere near as bad as him but not great) at the time and like true number 11 batsmen, the more dodgy fielders you already have, the more reluctant you are to pick another.

Not defending his catching, which was utterly village, but I think that probably mattered less than the fact that there was almost always an extra run or more to him in the deep, where he was inevitably always stationed, so not seeing many catches but getting a lot of running around to (fail to) prevent 4s and get the ball back.

sanskritsimon · 20th June 2015, 13:55

I think the only test spinner (as opposed to spin-bowling all-rounder) we've picked since Monty was dropped forever for having a sore leg has been Tredwell (1 test), whose fielding was probably about as bad as you'd expect from a spin bowling specialist.

**Rey** · 21st June 2015, 10:36

Tredwell is an excellent fielder.

1000yardstare · 21st June 2015, 10:41

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Originally Posted by Rey

Tredwell is an excellent fielder.

Have to disagree. Have seen him drop lots of catches in the slips.

Fatslogger · 21st June 2015, 12:21

I wouldn't call him excellent. I'm not quite sure what Sans' characterisation means, as I don't think you can draw real conclusions about fielding from whether a bowler bowls slowly or not (a bit like how good a bowler is based on where in the order he bats) but maybe that was the point. Anyway, he's certainly not bad either. On a Panesar to Rhodes scale he's somewhere roughly in the middle. Mind you, most players are.

**Rey** · 21st June 2015, 14:39

Excellent might be strong, but I've always considered him to be in the very good category. I haven't seen him drop the catches 1000ys mentions, but I have seen him take some very good catches, in the slips and in the outfield.

Sir Virgs and Zamora · 21st June 2015, 19:20

Speaking of spinners....Briggs was completely and utterly out bowled by Dawson today vs Somerset. Ironically Dawson is normally a brilliant fielder but dropped two today.

Breacan · 21st June 2015, 20:39

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Originally Posted by oldandfat

My nine year old son's fielding is not "Monty Panesar-esque"!
And there in lies Monty's problem - If you cannot catch simple chances you are unpickable. His batting was never an issue and his bowling was Test class but he dropped important chances.

Evidence suggests Keepers are excluded from this.

cabinboy · 23rd June 2015, 16:01

Have to give the selectors credit for the one day pick a. They called it spectacularly correct throughout.

19th June 2015, 00:18	#163
Michelle Fivefer Posting Goddess Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: North West England Team(s): England, Lancashire Posts: 42,507	Anderson hasn't played. __________________ As balanced and focused as the next man

20th June 2015, 13:55	#173
sanskritsimon Posting God Join Date: Mar 2007 Team(s): Arkholme Bees, Hackney Grasshoppers, Holy Cross Academicals Posts: 10,721	I think the only test spinner (as opposed to spin-bowling all-rounder) we've picked since Monty was dropped forever for having a sore leg has been Tredwell (1 test), whose fielding was probably about as bad as you'd expect from a spin bowling specialist. Last edited by sanskritsimon : 20th June 2015 at 14:11.

21st June 2015, 10:36	#174
Rey Administrator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Castleford Team(s): Yorkshire Posts: 14,312	Tredwell is an excellent fielder. __________________ "He has sat on the fence so long that the iron has entered his soul."

21st June 2015, 12:21	#176
Fatslogger Self Confessed Mentalist Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Hitchin Team(s): England and Liverpool Age: 42 Posts: 43,646	I wouldn't call him excellent. I'm not quite sure what Sans' characterisation means, as I don't think you can draw real conclusions about fielding from whether a bowler bowls slowly or not (a bit like how good a bowler is based on where in the order he bats) but maybe that was the point. Anyway, he's certainly not bad either. On a Panesar to Rhodes scale he's somewhere roughly in the middle. Mind you, most players are. __________________ Work is the curse of the drinking classes - Wilde

21st June 2015, 14:39	#177
Rey Administrator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Castleford Team(s): Yorkshire Posts: 14,312	Excellent might be strong, but I've always considered him to be in the very good category. I haven't seen him drop the catches 1000ys mentions, but I have seen him take some very good catches, in the slips and in the outfield. __________________ "He has sat on the fence so long that the iron has entered his soul."

19th June 2015, 16:11	#171
oldandfat County Pro Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 837	My nine year old son's fielding is not "Monty Panesar-esque"! And there in lies Monty's problem - If you cannot catch simple chances you are unpickable. His batting was never an issue and his bowling was Test class but he dropped important chances.

21st June 2015, 19:20	#178
Sir Virgs and Zamora Posting God Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 21,215	Speaking of spinners....Briggs was completely and utterly out bowled by Dawson today vs Somerset. Ironically Dawson is normally a brilliant fielder but dropped two today.

23rd June 2015, 16:01	#180
cabinboy Posting God Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 13,711	Have to give the selectors credit for the one day pick a. They called it spectacularly correct throughout.

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